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Solved: Monitors Suggestion - Picked KRK VXT 8
One of my Alesis M1 Active 620s died today. Considering repairing it, buying a used one or getting different monitors altogether. Actually, is there such a thing as a monitor whose sound is not colored too much by the room it's in? In other words, a monitor that sounds pretty consistent regardless of its environment? Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 19:42:29
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Depends what your budget is. :)
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 19:49:06
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Come on Leadfoot, you can do better than that! :-)
Let's say, I would like an upgrade that won't break the bank.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 20:21:55
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Well, maybe take a look at the JBL LSR305's or the Yamaha HS5. The JBL's are around $300 a pair, and the Yamaha's are around $400. I've heard good things about both, but haven't personally heard either one. Not knowing what you're looking to spend, I just picked a couple of the lower priced ones.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 20:24:09
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Thanks Leadfoot! Do you know if there is such a thing as a monitor whose sound is not colored too much by the room it's in? In other words, a monitor that sounds pretty consistent regardless of its environment? Regardless of price. Just wondering.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 20:35:37
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I have the Yamaha 80M's and the Subwoofer. Not sure what number breaks your bank but the 80M's are around $800 for the pair. The woofer is $400. May be cheaper now. I bought mine a year ago. As far as monitors sounding good no matter the room, My monitors sound great in my room but for a true or good representation of what I'm hearing out of them I had to modify the room acoustics some.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 21:46:04
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Unfortunately, the sound you hear will be affected by your room, regardless of the monitors. There are some kits by Auralex and others that are pretty inexpensive and can get you going in the right direction, acoustically. I suggest keeping a little of your budget for room treatment. It will be money well spent.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 22:21:32
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I already treated my room, according to the sound of the Alesis monitors. My concern is getting different monitors might also mean having to change the room treatment, which I'm not looking forward to. Might have to stick with what I had. Thanks for the advice, guys.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/13 22:33:20
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I wouldn't think you would have to change your room treatment. If it's working for you with the Alesis, it should work with other monitors.
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2014/08/13 23:33:17
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 01:08:57
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I recently got a pair of Equator Audio D5's and they have really blown me away. Such a crisp, detailed sound. They don't do much below 50Hz so if you need to monitor below that frequency then you'll have to get a sub. $400 the pair - I got them in a sale for a bit less. I can't imagine a better monitor for the price.
If you're worried about the room then spend a little extra and buy the ARC2 room correction system. I got that in a sale as well. My room is completely untreated and the difference that ARC2 makes is nothing short of stunning. Finally, bass sounds even - and it's also done wonders for the upper mids and highs. If your room is already treated then ARC2 is going to make less of a difference but it will definitely iron out what remaining problems you have, provided that you follow the instructions to the letter and do ALL of the microphone measurements.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 09:53:11
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 10:25:37
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I have the Yamaha HS80's. I bought them a few years ago from Vintageking Audio. They gave me a deal of $350 each. Like some have said the room and placement can make a world of difference- in the bass response anyway. I'm happy with these. I've also heard great things about the new Presonus Sceptres- but haven't actually heard them.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 12:28:25
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I totally agree with sharke about the ARC 2 system. It removes the room from the equation and works with any monitors. And, for a bonus, you get to keep the handy calibration mic which is an omni-directional condenser mic. It can be had for about $200 (or better, if you can find it on sale).
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 12:39:41
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If you can swing $800, a pair of Adam F7 monitors will make you smile every time you use them. I also have ARC with the F7s, and my mixes have never sounded better...
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
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If you've "learned" your monitors, then you might want to stick with what you know. Monitors are very subjective. I recently got a chance to check out KRK monitors because they're a Gibson brand. I had been using [expensive German speakers] previously. I tried the 5" Rockit G3 and it was fine for listening to things on my computer, but didn't compare to what I was using for mixing. The 8" G3 is a different story and excellent value for money, but I still wouldn't replace my [expensive German speakers] with it. However, I tried the VXT series which is one step up from the Rockits, and did replace my previous speakers with the VXT 6. They've very honest, they don't "sweeten" your sound and since using them my mixes translate better than they ever have before. For whatever reason, I find them very non-fatiguing for long sessions. My only complaint is they pick up RF, so don't keep your iPhone next to it. Of course I'd be expected to say nice things, hey it's a Gibson Brand, but check out these reviews from online. I feel they really nail what these speakers VXTs are about. They fly under most peoples' radar, but they're excellent and the price is reasonable considering how these compare to speakers that cost a lot more. http://www.sweetwater.com.tore/detail/VXT6/reviews http://www.musiciansfrien...content=review#reviews
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 13:19:39
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Barefoot. The more I work with them, the more I wish I could afford a pair.
On a more realistic level, the Yamaha MPS 7s would be the way to go for under $1000 pair (I've seen them for about $700).
Less than that is a crapshoot. Yamaha's are always a good bet, tho. The MPS 5's are great nearfields, or if you want bass the HS 8s are popular, and therefore bang for buck. Too bad you need them today - GC and others always have nice sales, but, the next holiday is still weeks away. GC always has 15% off then.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 17:11:06
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AndertonMonitors are very subjective. I recently got a chance to check out KRK monitors because they're a Gibson brand. I had been using [expensive German speakers] previously. I tried the 5" Rockit G3 and it was fine for listening to things on my computer, but didn't compare to what I was using for mixing. The 8" G3 is a different story and excellent value for money, but I still wouldn't replace my [expensive German speakers] with it. BOLD: yep...very subjective. As inferred it's about knowing one's monitors within their room environment as to how they'll translate to other mediums. Almost two years ago I got lean and sold my 19 year old JBL4410's which I loved. I replaced them (after doing a listening test at GC) with the KRK Rockit 8's G2 and after putting on my own CD they translated perfectly in my listening environment. I paid 500$ for the pair and am quite satisfied with the purchase. That's my take on it. OP....good luck with your choice and happy spending. http://www.amazon.com/KRK-RP8G2-Powered-Studio-Monitor/dp/B001A6IGDGwww.krksys.com/manuals/rokit/rokit_manual REV E - web.pdf
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 19:23:48
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This forum never disappoints-- lots of good folks around here! Thanks to you all. I heard a pair of Yamaha HS8s today and they sounded pretty good (of course in my room they could sound very different). I can get a killer deal on them- $239 each. Anyone here using these?
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 19:44:23
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pinguinotuerto
This forum never disappoints-- lots of good folks around here! Thanks to you all. I heard a pair of Yamaha HS8s today and they sounded pretty good (of course in my room they could sound very different). I can get a killer deal on them- $239 each. Anyone here using these?
Here's what I recommend. If there's a mastering studio around, ask to book 15 minutes of time. They'll be totally taken aback and tell you nothing can be done in 15 minutes. So you say "I just want to listen to a CD I know very well over really good speakers so I have a reference of what really good speakers sound like." They'll probably be so impressed with your diligence they'll let you come in for free for a few minutes. Listen very, very carefully to the midrange detail. That's the hardest to get right and the greatest difference among speakers. Burn that sound in your aural memory, then go to a GC or wherever and listen to a bunch of speakers. But remember two CRUCIAL points about listening. 1. Match the levels precisely. Even a dB less level can make a speaker seem not as good. 2. You're listening for accuracy, not pleasure. You want a speaker that's honest, which is why you want to compare to the kind of sound a good mastering engineer hears. FYI the Rockit G8s that Quazelar mentions go for about the same price as the Yamahas. But don't get too hung up on what's "best." There are probably at least 10 speakers in your price range that would do the job for you.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/14 19:58:55
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AndertonThere are probably at least 10 speakers in your price range that would do the job for you. Ha...truth....decisions, decisions. I should have been more specific in that I compared/listened to the KRK's, Truths, Mackie and one other I can't recall but is well known. There was something about the KRK's which I perceived to be an evenness among the frequency range with expected bass response. I was quite excited to go the 'active' route using cannon connectors and love the front ported bass design. But, I won't forget the almost 20 years of reliable use I got with the now dated 3-way JBL4410 monoliths. Great suggestions Anderton. Good luck weed hopper....carry on.
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2014/08/14 20:15:03
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I spent 200 bills on a pair of krk rokits.
they were a discontinuing pair because of color (gold, like a les paul goldtop)
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2014/08/15 00:54:03
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/15 01:15:00
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Quazelar
I should have been more specific in that I compared/listened to the KRK's, Truths, Mackie and one other I can't recall but is well known.
There was something about the KRK's which I perceived to be an evenness among the frequency range with expected bass response.
Well I wasn't going to say it and sound all hypey, but since you said it...your perception is correct, the response is quite accurate on the Rockits. They're known for not sounding particularly flattering, but telling you what your mix sounds like.
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/15 02:35:50
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AndertonWell I wasn't going to say it and sound all hypey, but since you said it...your perception is correct, the response is quite accurate on the Rockits. They're known for not sounding particularly flattering, but telling you what your mix sounds like. I got a chuckle out of your response. To be sure, all my creative drivel sure could use some 'flattering'. :) But, in all seriousness, you made me think about it. The JBL4410's were 3-way and flat.....and that was my conditioned listening perception/reference over many years so I"m guessing the KRK's were somehow similar to my ears. I really don't mean to over think it or split hairs on these (my) perceptions. As a side note: I listened to the KRK's 6"'s also....I liked them and my perception was the same. For me...going form 10" monitors I much preferred the 8's which have more presence when mixing by pushing more air with less effort. I wonder how that OP is doing? Carry on....
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/15 02:50:19
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Quazelar
The JBL4410's were 3-way and flat.....and that was my conditioned listening perception/reference over many years so I"m guessing the KRK's were somehow similar to my ears.
I really don't mean to over think it or split hairs on these (my) perceptions.
I've had the opportunity to review JBLs and I always felt they hit a sweet spot of accuracy and flattery. They also got the three-way thing right, which is not easy. A lot of people think a three-way must be better than a two-way - it's three instead of two, right? It goes up to 11! But that makes tailoring the crossover and getting the speakers to complement each other much more difficult.
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2014/08/15 06:55:21
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I think it would be very difficult to buy one set of speakers and have them satisfy in getting tones ,bass response, level checking. I have JBL 4412's/NS10M's/Auratones/Yamaha HS5's. If I was asked to choose only one of these I wouldn't be able to. I no longer use the NS10m's--I use the HS5's instead. They are my main speakers. I only use the Auratones and JBL's for mixing/mastering (though I usually send to G&J Audio for mastering because I know the main engineer from my younger days.) The Auratones are for levels, the JBL's for tone, and the HS50's for everything. Not a wonderful sounding speaker, but translates well. I can't hear levels properly on 8, 10 or 12 inch speakers. I need to double check on the Auratones at low volume. Depending on your genre (unless it's rock) I wouldn't suggest the Rockit's. Get one of KRK's higher end brands or get the Yamaha HS80's.
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2014/08/15 11:26:44
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AndertonI've had the opportunity to review JBLs and I always felt they hit a sweet spot of accuracy and flattery. They also got the three-way thing right, which is not easy. A lot of people think a three-way must be better than a two-way - it's three instead of two, right? It goes up to 11! But that makes tailoring the crossover and getting the speakers to complement each other much more difficult. That could very well be plus I think you (and Micheal Japan) have more experience comparing different brands than I do. When I bought the JBL's I did no comparative listening to other brands. I lived in the mountains near Yosemite as a carpenter and based my decision only on a lot of reading as I had to purchase from the Bay Area music store I had traded with since the 70's....guess I got lucky. Hi Micheal....my material is what I'd call light rock and the KRK's just sounded good to me. So many choices for us to choose from these days. A great weekend to all....
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2014/08/15 13:50:29
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Quazelar
My material is what I'd call light rock and the KRK's just sounded good to me.
So many choices for us to choose from these days.
Just FYI KRK monitors have a huge following among hip-hop engineers/producers, I've been told it's because of the bass translation being accurate. Also very commonly used by rock guys. I like the VXTs because they work for pretty much anything I've thrown at them. Another very important consideration is ear fatigue. Some speakers seem harder to listen to for hours than others, but of course, that's not something you can evaluate on the floor at GC...nor is it something that shows up in a spec. Also I've reviewed some speakers that are competitive with KRK (obviously I won't name names) and advertised for studio use, but have a significant bass bump around 100 Hz. That definitely flatters the low end, but if you mix on them, it's a mixed bag because the bass will sound right on something like Beatz headphones but not on more accurate listening systems. Michael's point about multiple speakers is a very good one, I used to switch among speakers a lot at one point and use headphones as a "reality check." These days, with so many people listening on earbuds and headphones, I switch among headphones (KRK 8400 for overall, AKG 702 for high end, and Beatz for low end, in case you wondered) and use the speakers as a reality check. Times have changed...
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Re: Monitors Suggestion
2014/08/15 14:08:14
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I found a pair of used KRK VXT 6 for $450 and can get a pair of Yamaha HS8 new for about the same price. I'm torn at the moment. The Yamahas sounded really good at the store and are new w warranty, but the reviews on the KRK VXT 6 are great and Anderton seems to like them.
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