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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/19 10:28:58 (permalink)
Mod Bod, sorry to hear you're having issues. I finally gave up. After 14 years of Cakewalk and now 2+ years of Roland at the helm, if they can't get it right and keep it right, they probably won't get it right. Sounds harsh but it's my money and I want to record, not beta test software products.  

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/19 10:38:00 (permalink)
Last time when I purchased X1, and X1 Expanded and observed how much I didn't like about it I was ridiculed for having purchased it.
 
This time I didn't purchase X2 and I am being ridiculed for not having purchased it.
 
I'm having the last laugh.
 
Sonar 8.5 works really good.
 
 
Good luck Dave, I agree with you. No product has stepped up as a does it all tool and it seems like after 20-25 years of development that some one would have gotten it right.
 
I miss Ron Kuper.  He seemed to get "it".
 
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/19 12:03:08 (permalink)
Hi Guys...

Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with X2 Mod Bod... You know (I'm sure) How I've ranted against the X generation since it's release...

But in some way I guess I've been lucky... I run x64 and other than issues I have with Lanes, the current zoom in-capabilities, and general navigation, it's been running fine... Likely because I'm using almost nothing but Cakewalk products these days... That's something they got right. The PC plugins are wonderful even if some opinions don't claim them "best"...

I do get frequent crashes, but they are almost entirely when loading a different song/project...

Most of the stability issues I see complained about seem related to 3rd party plugins of all sorts... And mostly in the x64 realm... So I remind myself that although Cakewalk has been releasing x64 for a long time, most others have not and the combined compatibility issues on both sides is still resolving down to solidity...

So if I was relying heavily on the use of 3rd party stuff, I would probably stick with x86 a lot more... I'm guessing that a few more release versions are gonna be necessary for all involved...

Luckily, I've been (and still am) too poor to buy anything other than my DAW itself these days... So it helped me avoid the extra grief... I find te PC modules so much better than anything else I own that it keeps me struggling with X for that (almost) alone...

I don't believe changing DAW will help overall as every one of them has it's issues and they quickly become annoying once you're dealing with it regularly... I've worked with so many of them over the years that release after release made a believer of me (in this)...

A solution? I think only patience will help and finding work arounds in the mean time. Of course, if you've got the cash to own many/all DAWs, you can bit the learning curve bit and switch between them as desired... I believe there will always be "reasons"...

I too miss Ron Kuper and the team of those days... Not to diminish the current team, but I was definitely a lot more connected with the development back then...

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/19 21:30:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/06/20 06:37:11
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Last time when I purchased X1, and X1 Expanded and observed how much I didn't like about it I was ridiculed for having purchased it.
 
This time I didn't purchase X2 and I am being ridiculed for not having purchased it.
 
I'm having the last laugh... No...you're just determined to be wrong, as usual..folk can use what they have, and still be effective.
 
 
 
 





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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 09:49:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/06/20 20:36:11
If you are indeed getting a blue screen crash, then event viewer should list what happened and link to a Minidump saved on your system. If you can end me the minidump, I should be able to see what is crashing.
A BSOD is always a driver crash not an app crash. Apps talk to drivers in different ways so its completely possible that something that works in one app (X1) crashes in another (x2) just because of subtle differences that may expose the crash in one scenario but not another.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 12:00:18 (permalink)
why would you change how sonar talks to the driver?
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 12:32:19 (permalink)
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If you are indeed getting a blue screen crash, then event viewer should list what happened and link to a Minidump saved on your system. If you can end me the minidump, I should be able to see what is crashing.
A BSOD is always a driver crash not an app crash. Apps talk to drivers in different ways so its completely possible that something that works in one app (X1) crashes in another (x2) just because of subtle differences that may expose the crash in one scenario but not another.


I will try to get this all together for you in a few days.  I have guests at present and I might not have as much free time as I would like.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 15:32:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mod Bod 2013/06/20 16:25:24
Hi There Mod Bod
Looking over your specs...Seems you have a UAD plug..meaning? you are using a UAD card...
interestingly enough...I once was using this with firewire / Zed r16 mixer...To be frank...it did not work, and crashed and froze up constantly.
 
IRQ's are required some times Needing to be "exclusive" by some cards...(Thus the amount of cards one can put in a system and work reliantly, is reliant on That basis point)...Sharing IRQ's can be done..and window 7 and 8, automatically assign those IRQ's to share when not enough are available...Win 7 also makes up virtual IRQ's...Not sure what win8 does.
 
With my system the only resolve was to remove the UAD card , and continue to use the firewire audio Zed setup.
 
In your case PCI audio still takes up a IRQ...and so does the UAD card...hence check that out in the: Start /all programs/Accessories/system tools/system info...and see what Window has done...Might be sharing with a controller chip set or something like that...vital system chip.
 
My solution for the UAD card was to build a new system based on USB audio interface..Thus reducing the amount of needing IRQ's as USB takes up one to begin with for the system...and then only installing the UAD card in that system....turning off all redundant things in Bios (Nic/ Audio/Ports)
 
The are no work arounds with IRQ's in Win 7 or 8...it is automatically done, and no manual control is available...as far as I know of.
 
Hope this helps...I'd say Yank the UAD card and try it out...if you find things working when done...get a usb audio...and put the card back in and see what happens.
 
IRQ's effect Drivers performances and apps that use them....So be mindful.
 
Just wanna try to help....cause it helped me!
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 17:12:30 (permalink)
Good info Sir Les!  



 
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 17:23:29 (permalink)
Thats a lot Sir Les.

Best
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 19:50:13 (permalink)
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If you are indeed getting a blue screen crash, then event viewer should list what happened and link to a Minidump saved on your system. If you can end me the minidump, I should be able to see what is crashing.
A BSOD is always a driver crash not an app crash. Apps talk to drivers in different ways so its completely possible that something that works in one app (X1) crashes in another (x2) just because of subtle differences that may expose the crash in one scenario but not another.


I've uploaded a minidump and the project.  I didn't include the audio.  I have a small version that manifests the problem in about 16 bars that I can bundle if you need it.
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 23:32:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/06/21 07:15:32
Here is the minidump analysis for the file you sent in. The crash is in your Dakota driver. It would appear that they are releasing a mutex on the wrong thread. The crash is not from X2A itself.
Make sure you have the latest drivers for this. If its recurring despite this send the dump file to the hardware manufacturer...
 
MODULE_NAME: Dakota
IMAGE_NAME: Dakota.sys
 
EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000046 - An attempt to release a mutant object was made by a thread that was not the owner of the mutant object.
 
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************
SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)
An exception happened while executing a system service routine.
Arguments:
Arg1: 00000000c0000046, Exception code that caused the bugcheck
Arg2: fffff800030a97fc, Address of the exception record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg3: fffff8800271e0a0, Address of the context record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg4: 0000000000000000, zero.
Debugging Details:
------------------

EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000046 - An attempt to release a mutant object was made by a thread that was not the owner of the mutant object.
FAULTING_IP:
nt!RtlRaiseStatus+18
fffff800`030a97fc 488b8424b8010000 mov rax,qword ptr [rsp+1B8h]
CONTEXT: fffff8800271e0a0 -- (.cxr 0xfffff8800271e0a0)
rax=0000000000000000 rbx=00000000c0000046 rcx=fffff8800271e0a0
rdx=0000000000000001 rsi=0000000000000001 rdi=fffff880009e6180
rip=fffff800030a97fc rsp=fffff8800271dfe0 rbp=0000000000000000
r8=0000000000000000 r9=0000000000000000 r10=0000000000000000
r11=fffff8800271e5f8 r12=0000000000000000 r13=0000000000000000
r14=fffffa800600b060 r15=0000000000000000
iopl=0 nv up ei ng nz na pe nc
cs=0010 ss=0018 ds=002b es=002b fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00000282
nt!RtlRaiseStatus+0x18:
fffff800`030a97fc 488b8424b8010000 mov rax,qword ptr [rsp+1B8h] ss:0018:fffff880`0271e198=fffff800030a97fc
Resetting default scope
CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT
BUGCHECK_STR: 0x3B
PROCESS_NAME: SONARPDR.exe
CURRENT_IRQL: 0
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from fffff80003086fa1 to fffff800030a97fc
STACK_TEXT:
fffff880`0271dfe0 fffff800`03086fa1 : fffff880`0456ed50 fffff880`04559000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000012 : nt!RtlRaiseStatus+0x18
fffff880`0271e580 fffff880`04571810 : fffffa80`00000001 fffff800`00000001 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`053ecb00 : nt!KeReleaseMutant+0x281
fffff880`0271e630 fffffa80`00000001 : fffff800`00000001 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`053ecb00 00000000`00000000 : Dakota+0x18810
fffff880`0271e638 fffff800`00000001 : 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`053ecb00 00000000`00000000 fffff880`045a445d : 0xfffffa80`00000001
fffff880`0271e640 00000000`00000000 : fffffa80`053ecb00 00000000`00000000 fffff880`045a445d fffffa80`05fa1420 : 0xfffff800`00000001

FOLLOWUP_IP:
Dakota+18810
fffff880`04571810 ?? ???
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 2
SYMBOL_NAME: Dakota+18810
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
MODULE_NAME: Dakota
IMAGE_NAME: Dakota.sys
DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 4696b865
STACK_COMMAND: .cxr 0xfffff8800271e0a0 ; kb
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: X64_0x3B_Dakota+18810
BUCKET_ID: X64_0x3B_Dakota+18810
Followup: MachineOwner
---------
 
Child-SP RetAddr Call Site
fffff880`0271d748 fffff800`0307c1a9 nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffff880`0271d750 fffff800`0307bafc nt!KiBugCheckDispatch+0x69
fffff880`0271d890 fffff800`030a775d nt!KiSystemServiceHandler+0x7c
fffff880`0271d8d0 fffff800`030a6535 nt!RtlpExecuteHandlerForException+0xd
fffff880`0271d900 fffff800`030a9832 nt!RtlDispatchException+0x415
fffff880`0271dfe0 fffff800`03086fa1 nt!RtlRaiseStatus+0x4e
fffff880`0271e580 fffff880`04571810 nt!KeReleaseMutant+0x281
fffff880`0271e630 fffffa80`00000001 Dakota+0x18810
fffff880`0271e638 fffff800`00000001 0xfffffa80`00000001
fffff880`0271e640 00000000`00000000 0xfffff800`00000001
 
 

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/20 23:56:09 (permalink)
I'd be considering another interface.  If I was on the right page, support didn't look very recent.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 09:20:15 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Here is the minidump analysis for the file you sent in. The crash is in your Dakota driver. It would appear that they are releasing a mutex on the wrong thread. The crash is not from X2A itself.
Make sure you have the latest drivers for this. If its recurring despite this send the dump file to the hardware manufacturer...
 
MODULE_NAME: Dakota
IMAGE_NAME: Dakota.sys
 
EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000046 - An attempt to release a mutant object was made by a thread that was not the owner of the mutant object.
 
*******************************************************************************
* *
* Bugcheck Analysis *
* *
*******************************************************************************
SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION (3b)
An exception happened while executing a system service routine.
Arguments:
Arg1: 00000000c0000046, Exception code that caused the bugcheck
Arg2: fffff800030a97fc, Address of the exception record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg3: fffff8800271e0a0, Address of the context record for the exception that caused the bugcheck
Arg4: 0000000000000000, zero.
Debugging Details:
------------------

EXCEPTION_CODE: (NTSTATUS) 0xc0000046 - An attempt to release a mutant object was made by a thread that was not the owner of the mutant object.
FAULTING_IP:
nt!RtlRaiseStatus+18
fffff800`030a97fc 488b8424b8010000 mov rax,qword ptr [rsp+1B8h]
CONTEXT: fffff8800271e0a0 -- (.cxr 0xfffff8800271e0a0)
rax=0000000000000000 rbx=00000000c0000046 rcx=fffff8800271e0a0
rdx=0000000000000001 rsi=0000000000000001 rdi=fffff880009e6180
rip=fffff800030a97fc rsp=fffff8800271dfe0 rbp=0000000000000000
r8=0000000000000000 r9=0000000000000000 r10=0000000000000000
r11=fffff8800271e5f8 r12=0000000000000000 r13=0000000000000000
r14=fffffa800600b060 r15=0000000000000000
iopl=0 nv up ei ng nz na pe nc
cs=0010 ss=0018 ds=002b es=002b fs=0053 gs=002b efl=00000282
nt!RtlRaiseStatus+0x18:
fffff800`030a97fc 488b8424b8010000 mov rax,qword ptr [rsp+1B8h] ss:0018:fffff880`0271e198=fffff800030a97fc
Resetting default scope
CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT
BUGCHECK_STR: 0x3B
PROCESS_NAME: SONARPDR.exe
CURRENT_IRQL: 0
LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from fffff80003086fa1 to fffff800030a97fc
STACK_TEXT:
fffff880`0271dfe0 fffff800`03086fa1 : fffff880`0456ed50 fffff880`04559000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000012 : nt!RtlRaiseStatus+0x18
fffff880`0271e580 fffff880`04571810 : fffffa80`00000001 fffff800`00000001 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`053ecb00 : nt!KeReleaseMutant+0x281
fffff880`0271e630 fffffa80`00000001 : fffff800`00000001 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`053ecb00 00000000`00000000 : Dakota+0x18810
fffff880`0271e638 fffff800`00000001 : 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`053ecb00 00000000`00000000 fffff880`045a445d : 0xfffffa80`00000001
fffff880`0271e640 00000000`00000000 : fffffa80`053ecb00 00000000`00000000 fffff880`045a445d fffffa80`05fa1420 : 0xfffff800`00000001

FOLLOWUP_IP:
Dakota+18810
fffff880`04571810 ?? ???
SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 2
SYMBOL_NAME: Dakota+18810
FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner
MODULE_NAME: Dakota
IMAGE_NAME: Dakota.sys
DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 4696b865
STACK_COMMAND: .cxr 0xfffff8800271e0a0 ; kb
FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: X64_0x3B_Dakota+18810
BUCKET_ID: X64_0x3B_Dakota+18810
Followup: MachineOwner
---------
 
Child-SP RetAddr Call Site
fffff880`0271d748 fffff800`0307c1a9 nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffff880`0271d750 fffff800`0307bafc nt!KiBugCheckDispatch+0x69
fffff880`0271d890 fffff800`030a775d nt!KiSystemServiceHandler+0x7c
fffff880`0271d8d0 fffff800`030a6535 nt!RtlpExecuteHandlerForException+0xd
fffff880`0271d900 fffff800`030a9832 nt!RtlDispatchException+0x415
fffff880`0271dfe0 fffff800`03086fa1 nt!RtlRaiseStatus+0x4e
fffff880`0271e580 fffff880`04571810 nt!KeReleaseMutant+0x281
fffff880`0271e630 fffffa80`00000001 Dakota+0x18810
fffff880`0271e638 fffff800`00000001 0xfffffa80`00000001
fffff880`0271e640 00000000`00000000 0xfffff800`00000001
 
 


Thank you, Noel.
 
At least, if I HAVE to buy a new piece of hardware, I will know for sure that it is the culprit in this case instead of throwing money out the window an hoping it fixes something.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 09:23:08 (permalink)
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I'd be considering another interface.  If I was on the right page, support didn't look very recent.


Yeah.  It looks like Frontier couldn't keep up with the changing competition.  It's a pity because up through Win XP they were rock solid and the actual hardware is built like a tank.  I hate to put away good gear because support for it has more or less died.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 09:33:34 (permalink)
 
Here's an interesting take on a situation like this:
 
from: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10402934/releasing-the-mutex
 
 
"In your previous question, it's important to note that you are running that code with multiple threads and that the same race condition is present in each thread. Multiple threads may have failed to acquire the mutex while one thread held on to it, and so multiple threads will likewise fail to release it. Take the following path of execution as an example.
  • Thread 1 acquires the mutex.
  • Thread 2 fails to acquire the mutex because Thread 1 has it.
  • Thread 3 fails to acquire the mutex because Thread 1 has it.
  • Thread 3 attempts to release the mutex, throwing an ApplicationException because it doesn't own it.
  • Thread 1 releases the mutex.
  • Thread 2 attempts to release the mutex, throwing an ApplicationException because it doesn't own it.
The fact that Thread 3 blew up when it failed to release the mutex has no correlation to the fact that Thread 2 also blew up by doing the same thing."
 
 
 
 
 
Thread 1 may be having a party and refuse to turn the music down causing Thread 3 to call in the exception.
 
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 10:03:38 (permalink)
Unfortunately, it's pretty apparent that Frontier has dropped support for the Dakota because it's not even listed on the drop down menu on their support contact page.
 
It looks like an RME Fireface UFX or an UAD Apollo is on my horizon.  It would certainly streamline my set up regardless of why I have to consider it.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 10:05:42 (permalink)
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Here's an interesting take on a situation like this:
 
from: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10402934/releasing-the-mutex
 
 
"In your previous question, it's important to note that you are running that code with multiple threads and that the same race condition is present in each thread. Multiple threads may have failed to acquire the mutex while one thread held on to it, and so multiple threads will likewise fail to release it. Take the following path of execution as an example.
  • Thread 1 acquires the mutex.
  • Thread 2 fails to acquire the mutex because Thread 1 has it.
  • Thread 3 fails to acquire the mutex because Thread 1 has it.
  • Thread 3 attempts to release the mutex, throwing an ApplicationException because it doesn't own it.
  • Thread 1 releases the mutex.
  • Thread 2 attempts to release the mutex, throwing an ApplicationException because it doesn't own it.
The fact that Thread 3 blew up when it failed to release the mutex has no correlation to the fact that Thread 2 also blew up by doing the same thing."
 
 
 
 
 
Thread 1 may be having a party and refuse to turn the music down causing Thread 3 to call in the exception.
 
 
best regards,
mike
 


I don't mind if Thread 1 is having it's party but I sure hate getting the bill for the party and the clean up services.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 10:20:05 (permalink)
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why would you change how sonar talks to the driver?


Possibly to solve a more general issue or to improve performance, but some drivers don't play nicely with the revised code...they should follow specs, but it's clear they don't (especially older drivers which weren't written for a multi-CPU environment).
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 13:33:01 (permalink)
Dave, you will not be sorry with the Fireface UFX. RME drivers are rock solid in win7.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 13:35:15 (permalink)
I've got the PCIe Multiface II...never had an issue.  Just updated drivers yesterday.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 13:43:11 (permalink)
I would like to thank Noel for jumping into this thread.
 
To the original poster: I sincerely hope that that you end up choosing to hang in there with X2 - even if you use X1 until you can get your interface replaced.
 
The folks here in the forum truly do work with best effort at helping folks resolve issues on people's systems, and the community has been a wonderful resource over the years for me to learn a bunch of techniques (as well as how to simply use Sonar, in areas I have limited experience with).
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 14:12:46 (permalink)
robert_e_bone
I would like to thank Noel for jumping into this thread.
 
To the original poster: I sincerely hope that that you end up choosing to hang in there with X2 - even if you use X1 until you can get your interface replaced.
 
The folks here in the forum truly do work with best effort at helping folks resolve issues on people's systems, and the community has been a wonderful resource over the years for me to learn a bunch of techniques (as well as how to simply use Sonar, in areas I have limited experience with).
 
Bob Bone
 


Thank you for you concern and your encouragement.  I've been using Cakewalk products for a long time.  Somewhere in my studio sits a 3.5 floppy disk of Cakewalk for Windows 1.0 so I have history with them.

Noel, has PM'd me and I am trying to make contact with Frontier Design to convince them to just have a peek at the minidump and contact Cakewalk so that (maybe) an accommodation can be made code-wise to overcome the problem.  I'm going to wait and see.  However, this special attention has convinced me that the individual customer still has importance to the leadership of the Cakewalk team.  Who would want to abandon that kind of dedication?


 
 

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 14:52:11 (permalink)
great post Robert. :)
 
and mr modbod, your one of the good guys .
hope this all gets worked out man, weather it be a new unit or what.
this forum needs people like you.
haven't always agreed with you/but always respected your opinions.

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 15:02:35 (permalink)
WhoCrashed:  a must have tool to analyze dmp files
 
http://www.resplendence.com/whocrashed
 
Load it, click the analyze button, scroll down to learn more than you ever wanted to know.
 
I am running w8, s8.5, and x2.    Using an "old" emu 1820m interface with the pcie beta drivers. The standard drivers crashed lots with sonar.  Not so much with reaper and studio one.
 
Still crashes occasionally after I have opened/closed lots of projects for review.
 
And sometimes when attempting to open projects created using windows 7.  The paths for plug-ins are different.
 
Mostly it was/is the midi portion of the drivers.
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 15:10:41 (permalink)
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I would like to thank Noel for jumping into this thread.
 
To the original poster: I sincerely hope that that you end up choosing to hang in there with X2 - even if you use X1 until you can get your interface replaced.
 
The folks here in the forum truly do work with best effort at helping folks resolve issues on people's systems, and the community has been a wonderful resource over the years for me to learn a bunch of techniques (as well as how to simply use Sonar, in areas I have limited experience with).
 
Bob Bone
 


Thank you for you concern and your encouragement.  I've been using Cakewalk products for a long time.  Somewhere in my studio sits a 3.5 floppy disk of Cakewalk for Windows 1.0 so I have history with them.

Noel, has PM'd me and I am trying to make contact with Frontier Design to convince them to just have a peek at the minidump and contact Cakewalk so that (maybe) an accommodation can be made code-wise to overcome the problem.  I'm going to wait and see.  However, this special attention has convinced me that the individual customer still has importance to the leadership of the Cakewalk team.  Who would want to abandon that kind of dedication?


 
 


I have a lot of History with Twelve Tone too from the DOS days. been with them ever since.
If Roland could find out the cause of my file search SONAR crash, reported from 8.5, X1 and STILL in X2, I would think twice about it. This was reported to development and they chose to not pursue it. I have a lot of projects from years past that are missing audio files, or have been moved. When searching for them SONAR craters to the desktop. 100% recreatable here. I have since reformatted the HDs and program files since this was originally reported. I don't know that it is a data folder structure or not.
 
Dave, you will be doing yourself a favor if you get the FF UFX.  :) I'm just sayin!
 

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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 15:22:57 (permalink)
It's been a long time since I've been on the Cakewalk forums.  Nice to see some of the folks I recall from quite some time ago are still hanging out here!
 
Hi Dave,
 
I'm running Sonar X2a 64 bit under Windows 64 Pro, S.P. 1, RME Fireface 800, MOTU midi express 128 and a UAD-2 Quad card.  (I think that's a somewhat similar set-up to what Danny Danzi has).
No problems so far, but then I haven't really pushed my system much yet.  I'm about to, as I'm starting to mix a couple of projects.  We'll see how it goes.
 
Hi Danny,
 
So, you're shying away from 64 bit still?  Maybe if I stay with all 64 bit plug-ins and VSTi synths,  that might keep me from having too many problems.  I'll soon see!
 
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 16:42:26 (permalink)
Dave,
 
Get the RME.
 
It will change everything.
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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 16:48:42 (permalink)
+1000
 
I thought that was very cool.
 
robert_e_bone
I would like to thank Noel for jumping into this thread.
 
To the original poster: I sincerely hope that that you end up choosing to hang in there with X2 - even if you use X1 until you can get your interface replaced.
 
The folks here in the forum truly do work with best effort at helping folks resolve issues on people's systems, and the community has been a wonderful resource over the years for me to learn a bunch of techniques (as well as how to simply use Sonar, in areas I have limited experience with).
 
Bob Bone
 





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Re: I've lost confidence in X2 2013/06/21 16:58:46 (permalink)
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robert_e_bone
I would like to thank Noel for jumping into this thread.
 
To the original poster: I sincerely hope that that you end up choosing to hang in there with X2 - even if you use X1 until you can get your interface replaced.
 
The folks here in the forum truly do work with best effort at helping folks resolve issues on people's systems, and the community has been a wonderful resource over the years for me to learn a bunch of techniques (as well as how to simply use Sonar, in areas I have limited experience with).
 
Bob Bone
 


Thank you for you concern and your encouragement.  I've been using Cakewalk products for a long time.  Somewhere in my studio sits a 3.5 floppy disk of Cakewalk for Windows 1.0 so I have history with them.

Noel, has PM'd me and I am trying to make contact with Frontier Design to convince them to just have a peek at the minidump and contact Cakewalk so that (maybe) an accommodation can be made code-wise to overcome the problem.  I'm going to wait and see.  However, this special attention has convinced me that the individual customer still has importance to the leadership of the Cakewalk team.  Who would want to abandon that kind of dedication?


 
 


I have a lot of History with Twelve Tone too from the DOS days. been with them ever since.
If Roland could find out the cause of my file search SONAR crash, reported from 8.5, X1 and STILL in X2, I would think twice about it. This was reported to development and they chose to not pursue it. I have a lot of projects from years past that are missing audio files, or have been moved. When searching for them SONAR craters to the desktop. 100% recreatable here. I have since reformatted the HDs and program files since this was originally reported. I don't know that it is a data folder structure or not.
 
Dave, you will be doing yourself a favor if you get the FF UFX.  :) I'm just sayin!
 


Everything in business has a priority level. If you are referring to the CWAF tool then my guess would be very few people use it. I have not ever used it since pro audio 9. I'm not saying I'm representative of it's use. That aside if it is broken the likelihood that it will be fixed or dropped is I think residing under a fairly high probability. I'm sure it happens some where in the world but I have yet to experience it elsewhere; that is a CTO posting on a user forum and assisting with a solution. It is appreciated Noel.
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