[Solved] NI Battery equivalent in SONAR X3 natively?

Hi,
 
Does SONAR have an equivalent to NI Battery with which I can sequence my percussion/hats/tops?
 
The issue I have with NI Battery is that when I loop a section of the track, the percussion from Battery looses sync slightly with each loop. It gets worse with each time the loop repeats...
 
This has been in Battery 3 and 4 and SONAR X1 and X3...
 
Regards,
B

I too am unsure what you are asking - sorry I need more coffee.
 
I use Battery 3 in Sonar literally every day.  I happen to currently use Step Sequencer in Sonar to sequence up drums, but lots of folks use Piano Roll View.
 
I keep promising to invest time into Piano Roll View, but just have been too lazy to do it.
 
I do not have any problems where Sonar's Step Sequencer is out of whack on timing when playing back sequences triggering sounds in Battery 3.
 
So, please do elaborate on what is occurring for you, where you are having looping problems with timings.
 
Thanks, 
 
Bob Bone
 

The simple answer is no, there is no native battery equivalent in Sonar.  One could achieve a good portion of the functionality of battery using a combo of plugins and features but nothing even comes close to an apples to apples comparable product in Sonar. Your best bet would be to get to the bottom of your looping issue .  Determine if it is a bug or specific to you.  It actually would be a good thing if it is specific to you since that will probably lead to a quicker resolution than the possibility of it being a longtime bug.

Puffin617
SOLVED!!!!
 
Issue : My hats in Battery seemed to lag further and further behind with each loop in SONAR.
Solution : I noticed that my gain at the top of the console channel was set to -1.7.  When I set it to zero again, my sync issue disappeared. (Clearly a bug)
 
Can someone please confirm this by changing gain on a channel and looping?

 
I this just when using battery or can you recreate it using other plugins?

Yes, it is a bug that Cakewalk has acknowledged. And yes, the answer is to set the audio channel's volume to 0...how the two relate I'll never know, but at least there's a fix.

CakeAlexS
I cannot reproduce. Here are my steps would it be possible to revise them if incorrect?
 
Create new project in Sonar X3D.
Insert Battery soft synth.
Bring up Pro Channel Console
At the top of the channel (1) for the battery soft synth, observe gain set at zero.
Change gain knob to -17.
Drag a drum loop MIDI pattern into the track.
Press the loop button (so it turns blue) and set the marker points appropriately for a repetitive loop.
Turn on the metronome for playback.
Play for five minutes.

Pretty much the same but one thing I've noticed as well with Battery is that if your samples "out" to channels 1/2, it diverts back to "master" after each load of the project.  Maybe set to 3/4 or 5/6...
 
Gain was -1.7, not -17...  
 
How would I record a loop say 5 times to give you a listen?
 
Anyway, thanx to the other guys acknowledging the bug - at least I can continue now without issues :)

stevec
There was something discussed about the Gain knob and instrument tracks a while back.   I don't recall the details, but I'm pretty sure it is/was a bug.
 
 

Please can you link me to the discussion?I feel I have the same absurd problem but not with Battery 4 only,also Arturia Spark but im thinking that the problem is with a lot of plugs (if not all!) and seems related to delay/latency compensation.
That's really a weird thing...how a bug like that can exist and still call "professional" a daw with all that crap?

Puffin617

CakeAlexS
I cannot reproduce. Here are my steps would it be possible to revise them if incorrect?
 
Create new project in Sonar X3D.
Insert Battery soft synth.
Bring up Pro Channel Console
At the top of the channel (1) for the battery soft synth, observe gain set at zero.
Change gain knob to -17.
Drag a drum loop MIDI pattern into the track.
Press the loop button (so it turns blue) and set the marker points appropriately for a repetitive loop.
Turn on the metronome for playback.
Play for five minutes.

Pretty much the same but one thing I've noticed as well with Battery is that if your samples "out" to channels 1/2, it diverts back to "master" after each load of the project.  Maybe set to 3/4 or 5/6...
 
Gain was -1.7, not -17...  
 
How would I record a loop say 5 times to give you a listen?
 
Anyway, thanx to the other guys acknowledging the bug - at least I can continue now without issues :)

The 'Master' output in Battery 3 is its own master output, not the same as Sonar's Master output, and is simply its naming standard for outputs 1 and 2.
 
Bob Bone
 

OK I can only reproduce this in battery, so do we assume this is a NI Battery bug?
 
STEPS
 
Create new project in Sonar X3D.
Insert Battery soft synth.
Drag a MIDI drum loop into the track and loop for one minute.
Open battery plugin
Bring up a kit.
Bring down battery gain to -1.7db or near (within the plugin).
Close plugin
Open plugin


EXPECTED
Battery gain is -1.7db

ACTUAL
Battery gain is 0 db

There is a setting in Battery 3. (I don't have Battery 4) which might be related.
On the 'File' menu. Bring up the 'options' page.
The 'field': Use CC7/CC10 Data on Master Volume/Pan---This can be selected to be "OFF" for best use with Sonar.

Yes, the issue with gain and loop sync was fixed in X3e. That doesn't mean there isn't still some issue with Battery, but the gain issue was not specific to Battery.
 
Is there a 64-bit version of Battery? I know a lot of old NI synths were never released as x64, and are therefore subject to the Bitbridge bug that could cause a loop sync drift.

If anybody can repro the steps in my last post (repro'd with 64 bit battery and X3E) with another plugin please let me know.