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[Solved] Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA
As much as I am trying to defeat the system here, the system is pummeling me into submission, yet I refuse to admit defeat. Here is what I would like to do: Screen capture working with Z3TA+2's UI (working within X3) Audio capture an accompanying vocal track Audio capture adjustments made tweaking Z3TA+2 Tools I am using: X3/Z3TA+2 Free Screen to Video for capture Saffire Pro 24 for interface The only software that has been (semi-)reliable for the screen capture has been "Free Screen to Video" When X3 is open it has a conniption fit, but I found that running it as administrator lets me record audio, but it seems to only be taking the input from my Saffire... playing with the routing and loop back settings thus far (MixControl 3.3) has not been able to get the sounds from Z3TA+2 into the recording. I set all routing to the Mix 1 (L/R), but no joy... only the microphone takes in the screen cap, and its only choice is "Master" from the Saffire. This route would be ideal as the video would be synched with the audio for editing. So route two... can blow off the audio with the screen capture, and capture it separately in X3. This would benefit the ability to mix, but adds in the hurdle of syncing. The problem with this route is I can capture a voice track fine, but not the sound generated from Z3TA+2 while tweaking the parameters on it. I can bounce for this, but that won't let me record, so this actually leaves me in the same place as doing the audio in the screen capture. So either way, I am unable to capture the "real time" tweaking being done with Z3TA+2 (which is really the whole point of the capture). I am hopefully missing something very obvious here, but not sure what I may be overlooking. Any advice is most appreciated!
post edited by mettelus - 2014/03/07 02:18:09
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Re: Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA (complex problem)
2014/03/06 09:09:20
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☼ Best Answerby mettelus 2014/03/14 14:44:33
video capture: try camtasia. i think you can get a demo version.
audio: back in the day i did training courses. i have an m-audio firewire 1814. i had to route the 3-4 output back in to the 1814 with a stereo audio cable.
camtasia will capture the audio too if you do this. the saffire may have a way to route "what you hear" to an input without a cable...
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Re: Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA (complex problem)
2014/03/07 00:06:18
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Thank you for the feedback! I already blew the Camtasia demo, so stuck with what I was doing, but the cabling loopback was the answer for recording into SONAR. I gained ground on Adobe Premiere this round, so finally getting the hang of it for editing. Just FYI (if anyone is interested) Video was captured via "Free Screen to Video" and required "Selected Area Capture" to put the mouse in the right spot (no Audio captured there). Audio was captured via two tracks in X3, one straight up voice track, and the other physically (cable routed) from headphone monitor 3 (set to DAW) back into inputs 3/4 on my Saffire. Video editing done in Adobe Premiere Pro, and I finally figured out how the export settings work (HUGE win). Here is the final result... and since it took so long I am not planning to do another take (we are limited to 5 minutes, but the experience was enough to do it only once). After getting feedback that I would indeed get crucified for exceeding the "5 minute limit" I went to town with the razor blade tool in Premiere and made a shorter version of the same take (plus figured out syncing between the two editing sessions).
post edited by mettelus - 2014/03/08 03:15:31
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Re: Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA (complex problem)
2014/03/07 01:09:05
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Great vid, Michael! I'm gonna link this around to some of my buds who were thinkin' bout Zeta...
well done.
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Re: Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA (complex problem)
2014/03/07 02:06:47
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Thanks Dana. I might get hammered for the assignment because I went 3 minutes over, but at least it has no dead parts in it. I actually completely removed parts for the Effects page, Oscillator performance tab, and the Arpeggiator, so I really barely nicked the surface of all that Z3TA+2 can do. The assignment was the "5 modules," so I had to choose what to scrap out based on that  Good timing for taking the course though... $20 at the AppStore  Edit: I also removed everything regarding wave shaping! I got off on a wild tangent recording the video then realized it was "too much." That is another fun feature of Z3TA+2.
post edited by mettelus - 2014/03/07 02:42:15
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Re: Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA (complex problem)
2014/03/07 09:50:42
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Re: [Solved] Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA
2014/03/08 22:53:29
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I just downloaded Free Screen to Video and played around with it for a few minutes. It is really quite remarkable. Maybe that's how one fellow I watched doing a screen-casting lecture apparently used a web cam to show himself down in the corner of the display narrating the lecture while devoting most of the display to Z3ta2 for example. I wondered how he had done that and now I know at least one way.
By the way, your lesson 6 was well done. I am left feeling , however, that there is so much left to learn. But heavily taxing one's brain, I am told, helps keep Al Zheimer from finding a home there! Thanks for all the help by the way!
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Re: [Solved] Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA
2014/03/10 06:56:47
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Hi Conrad, thank you. Free Screen to Video is not ideal, but can be worked around to an extent. For the video itself, it will do a nice capture, but when I threw in audio it could get flaky depending how it was run. It actually has to be started before the X3 transport is started (if both are used), or else it will not begin recording. The editing requires another tool, and if the audio is captured within the AVI file itself (which requires a source like a webcam), Windows "Movie Maker" will allow for straight up slice-editing of that AVI, but that is about it.
There are always things to learn, this is a simple truth. I find things can be an easier pill to swallow by picking tasks you want to do, and focus on them to get a level of proficiency before grabbing another. This way you can get some "know how" under your belt before moving on. I have owned SONAR versions since 2003, and still know only enough of certain areas to give myself grief, which is why this forum is such a wonderful place.
As you are learning X3, do not let me distract you by throwing in the video part. It is "it's own beast" in a way, and unless you have application for it, may be more grief than you need to deal with.
[side tangent below not overly relevant to the post]
I end up making things into a challenge often, so the video part was more to force myself to learn Adobe Premiere Pro (which I have owned for years but never touched). Even as I understand more of it, there are quirks in it that make no sense, and force me to do editing steps that I feel should be much simpler. The most frustrating of which is even importing an AVI (I did not even make and is synced fine), the audio needs to be stretched to 100.87% (pretty religiously). You can see this mismatch in the first video I did, which was the main drive to do the second editing run on it. During the second run, I stepped up the challenge to slice the audio tracks as separate entities in Premiere Pro, and doing that made me find more things that make no sense, but I found workarounds to (silly things like if I "render audio" I expect it to create a single clip... but it doesn't). Leaving "holes" in tracks required a very specific (and time-consuming workflow), but again I am no expert on the use of the software.
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Re: [Solved] Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA
2014/03/10 21:41:52
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If you have an nvidea card its built into the latest drivers.
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Re: [Solved] Need advice on a Screen Capture while tweaking Z3TA
2014/03/11 03:07:44
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I think that is only for 600 series and above. I downloaded that and got denied so I uninstalled it.
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