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[Solved] Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn?

Just goofing around with my Oxygen 25 and Pentagon I. Just wondering if right clicking should bring up a MIDI learn option for mapping the various knobs and doodads to the controls on the controller. Currently it's just popping open the patch banks but no learn options. No biggie because I'm just having some fun and I can research it more but figure it's a quick yes or no answer.
 
Currently using it in Platinum Braintree release if that makes a difference.
 
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Edit: Not gonna bother bumping. scook gave the answer... hold shift while right clicking the paramater and the MIDI Learn options appear. Thanks again.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/04 13:30:12 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Beepster 2015/03/04 17:08:42
    try SHIFT+right-click
    FWIW, Pentagon was dropped from the new SONAR.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/04 13:37:56 (permalink)
    Thanks, scook. Will try that.
     
    Glad I still have it due to old installs. It's pretty cool and will likely be a good learning tool for a synth n00bie like me.
     
    Hope you've been well, buddy. I know you've been working hard around here lately (more so than usual) and seriously... thank you for that.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/04 14:03:59 (permalink)
    Update: I unhooked the Oxygen to clear deskpace for some meatworld phone call mayhem and other annoying stuff (I'm working in a cramped space and my DAW room doubles as my "office") but the Shift+Right click did indeed bring up MIDI Learn context menu. I will do some actual mapping in a bit after I finish my calls for the day to confirm it works in Platinum then mark this as solved.
     
    Thanks, scook. You rule.
     
    Edit: Tried it with the controller. Totally works. Thanks again. Cheers.
    post edited by Beepster - 2015/03/04 17:11:17
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 10:24:15 (permalink)
    scook knows all. And agreed that Pentagon is cool. Would love to see it continue on...

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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 10:52:02 (permalink)
    Just finished the SWA Producer Instruments section on Zeta. Rapture is next (and the last synth covered). This was mostly just an overview to see where things are in the various interfaces and get a general idea of what does what.
     
    Next I'll be plopping my butt in front of the DAW to re-watch them all and trying everything out step by step... which will likely take a while because it's easy to get completely absorbed in these tools for hours on end. With any luck in a few months I'll be able to use it all properly at least at a basic level.
     
    I really want to get good at creating my own sounds with the waveteable synths. The noises those things can make can be downright brutal and I'd like to incorporate mind shredding synthesis to some of my heavier projects.
     
    The samplers (or I guess "romplers"?) are just cool and I've got lots of ideas for that stuff as well.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 14:44:58 (permalink)
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    scook knows all.


    scook has a copy of Simon Cann's "Cakewalk Synthesizers" which he used as the source for his answer in this thread.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 15:19:14 (permalink)
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    scook knows all.


    scook has a copy of Simon Cann's "Cakewalk Synthesizers" which he used as the source for his answer in this thread.




    Googled and now on my radar. I've seen this book recommended before on occasion (likely by your self and I can see there is at least one forum regular in the reviews on Amazon) but have been to distracted by general topics.
     
    It's almost ten years old but looks to be still relevant for much of what I currently have and really... I need as much help as I can get in regards to general synth concepts. As always you pack a lot of excellent advice into very concise statements.
     
    http://www.amazon.ca/Cakewalk-Synthesizers-From-Presets-Power/dp/1598633147
     
    Thank you... again.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 15:38:17 (permalink)
    It covers all the synths you have and more. Cann's website http://noisesculpture.com/ has a free book http://noisesculpture.com/how-to-make-a-noise-a-comprehensive-guide-to-synthesizer-programming which is not CW specific.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 15:42:39 (permalink)
    *bookmarked*
     
    Synthesis is becoming less frightening day by day.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 15:43:39 (permalink)
    Pentagon is perfect for 70's type prog rock synthesis. It straight forward subtractive synthesis and it sounds great. For learning subtractive synthesis you can't do better than pick up a Roland Juno 6/60 or 106. Short of that get Tal's Uno LX. It's a fantastic emulation of a Juno 60. Just twiddle the knobs, deconstruct a few presets and you're good to go.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 15:57:57 (permalink)
    I posted a thread a while back about wanting some Moog-y goodness for certain things. Pentagon was mentioned multiple times (IIRC).
     
    I enjoy watching dudes go nuts on old analog synths (and maybe I'll see if I can dig up a live version of Edgar Winters Group going crazy on Frankenstein live if it hasn't been yanked from youtube for copyright issues).
     
    To me that is (or was) all magic and evil wizard stuff. Learning a bit about the concepts and how the sounds are acheived is still confusing but I think I can get it. That interface that mimics old school hardware is probably harder to deal with than more visual synths like Zeta and Rapture and likely more limited tonally BUT in other ways maybe simpler and better for building up sounds with my minds eye and getting a better grasp on tone bending terms and procedures.
     
    IDK... now I wanna listen to Frankenstein. lol
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/05 16:01:27 (permalink)
    Here we go...
     
    Edgar Winters Group, Frankenstein Live...
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8f-Qb-bwlU
     
     
     
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/06 22:05:57 (permalink)
    I was 11 years old when I saw Frankenstein played live late Friday night on TV. It was Don Kershner's In Concert or something like that. I'll never forget it. My 11 year old brain could not believe it possible what I was seeing. He was so cool, so beyond genius; I seriously debated the possibility Edgar might be an actual wizard. Lol

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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/06 22:14:10 (permalink)
    Beepster
    I posted a thread a while back about wanting some Moog-y goodness for certain things. Pentagon was mentioned multiple times (IIRC).
     
    I enjoy watching dudes go nuts on old analog synths (and maybe I'll see if I can dig up a live version of Edgar Winters Group going crazy on Frankenstein live if it hasn't been yanked from youtube for copyright issues).
     
    To me that is (or was) all magic and evil wizard stuff. Learning a bit about the concepts and how the sounds are acheived is still confusing but I think I can get it. That interface that mimics old school hardware is probably harder to deal with than more visual synths like Zeta and Rapture and likely more limited tonally BUT in other ways maybe simpler and better for building up sounds with my minds eye and getting a better grasp on tone bending terms and procedures.
     
    IDK... now I wanna listen to Frankenstein. lol


    You want Moog than its got to be the Moog Modular V by Artutria. It is fantastic! 

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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/06 23:22:15 (permalink)
    There are some pretty nice Moog presets for Rapture. I like GForce's Minimonsta, that said I believe Edgar is playing an ARP 2600 in the video and on the record. GForce makes a nice Odyssey synth too.
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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/07 13:16:00 (permalink)
    Leonard
    I was 11 years old when I saw Frankenstein played live late Friday night on TV. It was Don Kershner's In Concert or something like that. I'll never forget it. My 11 year old brain could not believe it possible what I was seeing. He was so cool, so beyond genius; I seriously debated the possibility Edgar might be an actual wizard. Lol



    Hehehe... same here.      Not sure what I age I was at the time, but probably similar (52 now).
     
    It's one of those things one never forgets.  It was so cool watching him go from instrument to instrument in real time.  Combining that with the white hair certainly left an impression!   I still have They Only Come Out At Night (along with two others) on original vinyl.   The guy was/is a freekin' musical genius IMHO...  If you ever have the chance, listen to some of his jazzier work on the album Jasmine.
     

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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/07 13:32:44 (permalink)
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    It was so cool watching him go from instrument to instrument in real time.  Combining that with the white hair certainly left an impression!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb605jAQUlk
     

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    Re: Quick Question about Pentagon I: Should right clicking show MIDI Learn? 2015/03/07 15:31:21 (permalink)
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    scook knows all.


    scook has a copy of Simon Cann's "Cakewalk Synthesizers" which he used as the source for his answer in this thread.




    Part of knowing all is knowing where to find all! 
     
    And yes, it is a very useful book.

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