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[Solved] Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
I have both Sonar X3d 64 bit and 32 bit loaded on my DAW. It takes 2 minutes 30 seconds for the 64 bit version to load and about 20 - 30 seconds for the 32 bit version to load. The os drive where Sonar is installed is defragged, ran memtest and all is good there, renamed aud.ini but that made no difference since the new aud.ini wasn't created until the splash screen finally went away, latest video drivers, scanned for viruses, scanned for malware, os drive is 75% free and it's a WD Caviar black, no wi-fi card, sure there's more that I checked that I'm forgetting. Scan VST option is set to manual, I have reset and re-scanned, actually the plugin manager takes a loooong time to load and anytime I do a VST scan, the "rebuilding menu" prompt takes a loooong time also. I've always used the 32 bit version in the past but now that all the plugins that I use are 64 bit, I'm switching over. The actually loading of the program without it loading a template or project is what I'm referring to, loading any template or project is actually fairly fast. Any suggestions on what else to check? BTW, this is on a first gen I7-quad running at 2.66GHz and hyperthreading is turned on, speedstep and the other recommended settings are turned off in the bios and my dpc latency reading is very low. Machine runs solidly. No problems with operation of Sonar X3d, just takes a seemingly forever to load. edit: SOLVED, see post #48 of this thread.
post edited by Anderton - 2013/12/26 00:03:36
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 17:53:38
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It's using more memory..... How long does it take without a project? Turn off antivirus (temporarily).
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 17:54:10
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If I were guessing, it may have something to do with the devices SONAR is trying to communicate with. I only have a single interface handling audio and MIDI, X3d 64bit is up to the quick start menu in 3 seconds on my i7-3770 12GB RAM running Win 7 on a 7200RPM HD.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 17:57:58
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CakeAlexS It's using more memory..... How long does it take without a project? Turn off antivirus (temporarily).
2 minutes 30 seconds for just the app to load, no project involved. I always turn my av off when I use Sonar.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 17:59:01
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I always disable AV when loading DAWs, and X3(64bit) takes about 30 secs with plugin scan to do its biz.
Win10 64-bit. Intel i7QuadCore 4.20GHz. 32Gb Ram. Sonar Platinum.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 17:59:57
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scook If I were guessing, it may have something to do with the devices SONAR is trying to communicate with. I only have a single interface handling audio and MIDI, X3d 64bit is up to the quick start menu in 3 seconds on my i7-3770 12GB RAM running Win 7 on a 7200RPM HD.
On my laptop (i5-2450M), it takes Sonar X3d takes about 5 - 10 seconds to load but it's my main DAW that takes forever.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:01:42
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:03:08
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Oh and yes, please change plugin scan to manual.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:07:13
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FWIW, I have the plug-in scan set to the default automatic background setting and AV running.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:14:31
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CakeAlexS, when you say try unplugging my devices, do you mean faderport, my keyboard controller? My MOTU has the latest drivers installed, Windows Update is current, and as mentioned, plugin scan is set to manual. I'll try the DriverBoost...
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:21:06
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Try unpligging AND removing the faderport in control surface settings. I find it can be terribly problematic, particularly if you load a project that used different audio/midi outs to your current setup.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:22:12
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I can't tell how many devices are connected directly to SONAR (i.e. defined in preferences as devices) from the .sig but my first inclination would be to see how fast it boots with just the MOTU connected.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 18:34:13
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There is something wrong if the app takes that long to startup. I takes about 3-5 seconds for X3 to launch on my machine which is a core I7 950 with only 6GB. I also have a MOTU firewire interface and am running Windows 8.1. 2 minutes is drastically slow. Also what do you mean when you say plugin manager takes long to load - which plugin manager? The one from the tools menu or did you mean the plugin Browser. Any antivirus or background file scanning software or utilities can drastically slow down application load times especially VST scanning since they check every dll being loaded agains their database - online sometimes! Also some AV software doesn't really fully disable even when you turn it off. I suggest never running 3rd party AV on a DAW except for Microsoft's security essentials. Do you have development tools or other utilieties on the machine that can impact this? If you have already tried the suggestions in this thread and they don't work please call support and they can work through troubleshooting various things with you.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 19:28:13
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gustabo CakeAlexS, when you say try unplugging my devices, do you mean faderport, my keyboard controller? My MOTU has the latest drivers installed, Windows Update is current, and as mentioned, plugin scan is set to manual. I'll try the DriverBoost...
Any device apart from keyboard/mouse/monitor. Hubs as well.. See what happens and rule them out. Cheers... (FYI his antivirus is off)..
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 19:40:54
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Event viewer shows no errors, driver boost found 21 hardware drivers, mobo related, etc. outdated and they have been updated. Faderport has been removed from control surfaces, unchecked in devices and physically unplugged. No change.
Is there a way to log the startup of Sonar to see if it is getting caught in a loop and then giving up to proceed loading the app?
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 19:53:19
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Remove all control surfaces and disconnect all MIDI and audio interfaces and then load. If its till taking long there is either some external service slowing down the load or its disk related. Try some disk benchmarks on the drive that SONAR is loaded on.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 19:58:01
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] Remove all control surfaces and disconnect all MIDI and audio interfaces and then load. If its till taking long there is either some external service slowing down the load or its disk related. Try some disk benchmarks on the drive that SONAR is loaded on.
I just started a backup since I want a drive image of my boot drive with all the new updated drivers installed. I'll do as you suggest in the morning and report back, thanks!
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 20:21:06
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 22:01:34
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] Remove all control surfaces and disconnect all MIDI and audio interfaces and then load. If its till taking long there is either some external service slowing down the load or its disk related. Try some disk benchmarks on the drive that SONAR is loaded on.
Removed all control surfaces, disconnected all MIDI and audio interfaces and tried loading, no difference. Uninstalled Avast AV and after reboot, before installing MSIE, loaded Sonar, no difference. No overclocking going on, big *ss noctua cpu fan installed and running so overheating is definitely not an issue. Just benchmarked my os drive which is a wd caviar black sata with 32MB cache with CrystalDiskMark 3.0.3 x64. Here are the results after 5 passes: 1000MB Test Read [MB/s] Write [MB/s] 97.88 93.63 Sequential 44.50 62.93 Random-512K 0.677 1.107 Random-4K 0.728 1.122 Random-4K QD32 100MB Test Read [MB/s] Write [MB/s] 129.8 81.16 Sequential 60.95 105.3 Random-512K 0.692 1.434 Random-4K 1.194 1.491 Random-4K QD32
post edited by gustabo - 2013/12/22 22:23:18
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 22:32:11
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When you installed X3 did you let it use the previous config? If so, you could try re-personalizing X3 by holding CNTL and SHFT when opening SONAR. This will overwrite all the files in your home directory\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer and make some registry fixes to bring your setup back to factory defaults. You could save off the user directory before re-personalizing if you want to refer to your previous settings.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/22 22:38:20
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scook When you installed X3 did you let it use the previous config? If so, you could try re-personalizing X3 by holding CNTL and SHFT when opening SONAR. This will overwrite all the files in your home directory\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer and make some registry fixes to bring your setup back to factory defaults. You could save off the user directory before re-personalizing if you want to refer to your previous settings.
I'll try that in the morning...
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 00:08:56
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Just to rule out something - make a copy of the SONARPDR.EXE file and rename it to X3D.exe. Now run that file and see if it also takes that long to launch. While its launching look in task manager and see if you can spot the CPU use going high for other processes while SONAR is loading.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 02:03:30
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Also anything in the windows event viewer?
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 07:53:01
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] Just to rule out something - make a copy of the SONARPDR.EXE file and rename it to X3D.exe. Now run that file and see if it also takes that long to launch. While its launching look in task manager and see if you can spot the CPU use going high for other processes while SONAR is loading.
Tried that and no difference, both sonarpdr.exe and x3d.exe showed a max of 13% while loading.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 07:56:06
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CakeAlexS Also anything in the windows event viewer?
Nothing showing up in event viewer, no errors or warnings.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 08:03:26
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scook When you installed X3 did you let it use the previous config? If so, you could try re-personalizing X3 by holding CNTL and SHFT when opening SONAR. This will overwrite all the files in your home directory\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer and make some registry fixes to bring your setup back to factory defaults. You could save off the user directory before re-personalizing if you want to refer to your previous settings.
No difference
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 08:32:40
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You haven't disabled Superfetch (service or via registry key) have you?
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 08:48:38
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KPerry You haven't disabled Superfetch (service or via registry key) have you?
No, both prefetch and superfetch are running.
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 08:59:17
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OK well might as well exhaust the process.... Please check to see if there is an update for your PC's BIOS. You might as well check if there are any firmware updates for the devices you plug into your system as well. From an administrative command prompt run: sfc /scannow Thanks...
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Re: Why would Sonar X3d-64 load so much slower than Sonar X3d-32?
2013/12/23 09:06:43
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CakeAlexS OK well might as well exhaust the process.... Please check to see if there is an update for your PC's BIOS. You might as well check if there are any firmware updates for the devices you plug into your system as well. From an administrative command prompt run: sfc /scannow Thanks...
Already ahead of you, BIOS is latest and had already run system file checker.
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