Larry Jones
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Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
I've been reading Craig Anderton's articles and reviews since the 80s. I've also found that the best tech support for SONAR comes from other users, friendly folks who have seen the same problems as me, and want to be helpful.
So when Craig began his residence here, it felt to me a little as if a really smart old friend had come to join the conversation, and I looked forward to some good things happening. I wasn't disappointed. Craig's standing in the industry, his personal integrity, his insistence on fact-based discussion and his refusal to pander to malcontents or feed the trolls has raised the level of discourse. The past couple of years the forum has been a great place to hang out, get technical help, hear about new ideas and discover innovative ways of using the software. There are many extraordinary members here, with Craig Anderton perhaps first among equals.
Sadly, we all know the cliches about giant corporations, how out of touch they can be, how much they rely on quarterly financial reports to plan strategy. I mean, seriously, when was the last time you heard a corporate CEO say "Our people are our most valuable asset?" They talked that way for most of the 20th century, but they no longer even pretend to care about employees. Thus it was a shocker to see Mr. Anderton hired to be an "evangelist." It was an optimistic outside-the-box move by Gibson, making his abrupt termination even more depressing: If bringing Craig aboard in that capacity was an unconventional act of faith in the audio and music community, if the work that he did brought us all a little closer to the Gibson/Cakewalk family, then firing him without warning is an unsurprising reminder that corporations are still out of touch, that to them employees remain little more than expenses.
I've gotten a lot of good out of this forum, from Craig, of course, but from many others who jumped in to answer my newbie questions and get me back to making music with SONAR. Thank you Craig, and thank you all. I haven't been much help to anyone in my time here, because I have always felt like a newbie. I still do, but the departure of Mr. Anderton as a full-time bartender here reminds me that the user group is only as good as the users. With Craig's generosity as inspiration, I hope I can be more useful around here.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/19 23:23:15
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IBTL
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IBTMTTCH
In before the move The Coffee House
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/19 23:24:04
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I met Craig at NAMM. He is/was the same person on this forum as IRL.
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Larry Jones
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/19 23:34:11
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bapu
IBTL
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In before the move The Coffee House
Yeah, I thought about the Coffee House, but you guys are so mean there. PS: What's "IBTL?"
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/19 23:37:06
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/10/20 00:12:27
Well, what has been changed? Craig is still one of the most prominent gurus in the audio industry. Being no longer anchored to a single corporation he is able to provide his expertise to any company, including Cakewalk. Gibson is still one of the biggest companies in the music world, and Cakewalk is perfectly fine. Certainly, no drama here.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/19 23:44:17
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Larry Jones
I've been reading Craig Anderton's articles and reviews since the 80s. I've also found that the best tech support for SONAR comes from other users, friendly folks who have seen the same problems as me, and want to be helpful.
So when Craig began his residence here, it felt to me a little as if a really smart old friend had come to join the conversation, and I looked forward to some good things happening. I wasn't disappointed. Craig's standing in the industry, his personal integrity, his insistence on fact-based discussion and his refusal to pander to malcontents or feed the trolls has raised the level of discourse. The past couple of years the forum has been a great place to hang out, get technical help, hear about new ideas and discover innovative ways of using the software. There are many extraordinary members here, with Craig Anderton perhaps first among equals.
Sadly, we all know the cliches about giant corporations, how out of touch they can be, how much they rely on quarterly financial reports to plan strategy. I mean, seriously, when was the last time you heard a corporate CEO say "Our people are our most valuable asset?" They talked that way for most of the 20th century, but they no longer even pretend to care about employees. Thus it was a shocker to see Mr. Anderton hired to be an "evangelist." It was an optimistic outside-the-box move by Gibson, making his abrupt termination even more depressing: If bringing Craig aboard in that capacity was an unconventional act of faith in the audio and music community, if the work that he did brought us all a little closer to the Gibson/Cakewalk family, then firing him without warning is an unsurprising reminder that corporations are still out of touch, that to them employees remain little more than expenses.
I've gotten a lot of good out of this forum, from Craig, of course, but from many others who jumped in to answer my newbie questions and get me back to making music with SONAR. Thank you Craig, and thank you all. I haven't been much help to anyone in my time here, because I have always felt like a newbie. I still do, but the departure of Mr. Anderton as a full-time bartender here reminds me that the user group is only as good as the users. With Craig's generosity as inspiration, I hope I can be more useful around here.
Beautiful post. I would put it in the thread by Graig's thread. Not now though.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/19 23:45:46
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Soundwise
Well, what has been changed?
What has changed is that he is no longer being paid to be here, to post regularly, to create ezine content and plugin chains, that sort of thing, so I expect his valuable participation to decrease considerably. Speaking of drama, he often used his position of respect to end drama here, when things started to get out of hand.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:03:29
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2017/10/20 00:13:10
Larry Jones
Soundwise
Well, what has been changed?
What has changed is that he is no longer being paid to be here, to post regularly, to create ezine content and plugin chains, that sort of thing, so I expect his valuable participation to decrease considerably.
Speaking of drama, he often used his position of respect to end drama here, when things started to get out of hand.
I agree. To some extent.  Craig will still get paid for his valuable participation by other companies. He will still create content and write articles, maybe for some other ezine. As for drama - just stay away from trolls and forum monkeys and you'll be fine. 
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:24:04
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Soundwise
Well, what has been changed? Craig is still one of the most prominent gurus in the audio industry. Being no longer anchored to a single corporation he is able to provide his expertise to any company, including Cakewalk. Gibson is still one of the biggest companies in the music world, and Cakewalk is perfectly fine. Certainly, no drama here.
With all respect Soundwise, I must disagree. The painful true is Cakewalk tech support doesn't exist. I remember when I started my adventure with Sonar. I tried few times to get help about tech issues and was always ignored. I left Sonar despite of my license for S7 away and used free software. After few years I was intrigued by X1 with its new design and when I discovered Sonar forum I returned back to enthusiasm and again bought license. Again no support but this time thanks to forum and mainly to Craig with his passion to teach and help I could survive till now without fear. Thanks to his work, articles and help I was discovering different secrets of this DAW. Of course, I appreciate also other very helpful person but Craig was as active as it was his 'work' to help people. My point is if Gibson fired such valuable person as Craig who taught about in fact their product and played role of support many times it means they care about support even less than before... It is really big disappointment for me as I respected brand Gibson not only because of great guitars but because of respect to their customers. I remember when my coll years ago send them back broken string he got in return new pack plus t-shirt. Now in contrast such person as Craig is not appreciated by them... Of course I am not worrying about Craig, he will be fine and many competitors are now happy he is available again but I am really afraid about Sonar future... They can abandon it at any moment... History showed not such surprises. Sonar is one of the very first DAW and has potential to be in top 3 but can you remember IBM PC ? IBM invented great device and totally screw it up... Nomen omen the same story about OS/2. Operating system which was ways better than windows... Anybody remembers it now? :) Unfortunately good product doesn't grant anything if not supported properly... I hope my fears will not materialize... I really like Sonar and wait every month for new improvements and fixes of countless bugs. Anyway, I wish Craig all the best with his career and I am convenient he will get many new interesting opportunities.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:28:55
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Hey everyone,
We're releasing 10.2017 Early Access (check Command Center?) and the latest SONAR Home Studio release just went out today. We want the SONAR forum focused on SONAR to adequately gauge feedback.
Bapu called it. I'm going to move the thread to the coffee house, where you all can continue the conversation if you wish.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:32:58
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☄ Helpfulby Brando 2017/10/21 19:44:51
Soundwise thank you for bringing some sanity,to what I was shocked by,when opening my email thingy,and as I subscribe to the forum/threads etc I freaked out at just a heading :Craigs Departure-I've read a lot(nowhere near all) of his contributions,all the way back to Guitar player magazine-but this still a bummer to me,as his use of ONLY what is included with Platinum is beyond amazing.
I do wonder how Gibson etc Cakewalk,will ever find someone with such a talent to devote themselves to a software,and freely(meaning obviously apart from an internet connection fee in Australia i don't have to that I'm aware of $Pay up more) share the "Fridays tips",and I truly hope he drops in.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:38:43
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I'm not mean.
i'm sarcastic...
but it is sarcasism dripping with lurve...
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:41:02
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Cool Beepster,you got rid of the duplicate? If so,I owe you a beer!
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:43:57
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Oh... and weird.
Sarcastic and weird.
Craig... I'm sure you know this already but do whatver the frack you want and don't ask permission.
You deserve it and I've learned a lot from you.
Dogspeed fellow passenger.
also...
weener, just cuz it's the CH and you can't ban me anymore lololololololol
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 00:51:44
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bobguitkillerleft
Cool Beepster,you got rid of the duplicate? If so,I owe you a beer!
I did a whut in the whut now? But hi, bob. How ya been? I'm not sure what duplicate elimination powers I may or may not have (I have not received any memos on the matter) nor do I believe I've enacted any actions that may have de-actionated any duplications that may or may not have been eliminated nor de-eliminated but if you hand me that beer I think we could sort it all out. :-) heh... hope you been good, man
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 01:03:57
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Yeah I'm ok,just my dupe disappeared right before you did your 1st post? Hope you're coping well as possible man,I haven't done a finished project for a while as "Factory refurbs" may all be suspect? I don't know,keep wailing,keep sane...possibly the more difficult of the 2 for me
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 01:16:37
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Well... as I'm sure multiple "nurses" in mental health facilities all over the world have prophetically said at one point or another in their life...
"You cannot keep a truly crazy person down without horse debilitating amounts of thorazine"
Therefore my life philosophy (for the next five minutes) is to ALWAYS avoid people wielding comically large needles filled with thorazine.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 01:43:28
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Soundwise
Well, what has been changed?
what has been changed ?? No more E-zine/Tech and music, no more presets (cakewalks 30th year celebration with free new presets each month) No more Fridays Tips of the week. Those were all things Craig handled. I'd like to think those three items alone count for a lot. Possibly you didn't use the tips, presets or red the E-zine but those were a huge plus for me. And all of them were free. We have yet heard of what is to become of them.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 03:18:22
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/10/20 17:34:20
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We have yet heard of what is to become of them.
Nothing will become of them. And I mean nothing. No Tech Mag. No Pre-sets. No Friday tip. Nothing. CW never had the manpower to do those things in the first place.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 03:19:28
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chuckebaby
No more E-zine/Tech and music, no more presets (cakewalks 30th year celebration with free new presets each month) No more Fridays Tips of the week. Those were all things Craig handled.
I'd like to think those three items alone count for a lot. Possibly you didn't use the tips, presets or red the E-zine but those were a huge plus for me. And all of them were free. We have yet heard of what is to become of them.
AFAIK no one at Cakewalk has volunteered to take over. Then again every time scook posts it's equal to a tip of the week, maybe he could throw some of his expertise in there. I posted this in the other thread before seeing your post: I have most of the eZine done and 30 FX Chains that I think are really cool. I can't take the time to QC them because I was involved in a lot of projects at Gibson, and am trying to make sure anyone succeeding me has what they need to finish what I started. If you want I can put what I have on craiganderton.com as long as you're aware that a) the eZine isn't finished, and b) while I'm 99.9% sure the FX Chains all work they may not be level-matched etc. Thoughts? I'm also considering continuing the Tech+Music magazine with a different publisher, and not having a Cakewalk-centric focus. But I'm getting so many offers I have to choose how to spend my future time wisely.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 03:29:15
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Grem
CW never had the manpower to do those things in the first place.
Doing things like the presets wasn't that hard for me, I basically "harvested" what I had developed for myself. I don't know if anyone at Cakewalk uses SONAR as extensively in real-world projects as I do, although Jimmy Landry might. He did a lot, if not all, of the original FX chains so he may have some tricks up his sleeve.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 03:40:51
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Anderton
But I'm getting so many offers I have to choose how to spend my future time wisely.
And there is exactly where all of you focus should lie. Do what is best for you. As has been expressed you have taught a whole pile of us an insane amount of material over the years. Anyone who begrudges you taking/considering the opportunities being presented to you (especially if large amounts of potential retirement cash is being waved around) well screw them. They are jerks (and perhaps communists... nttiawwt... but a man's gotta eat yallz). Best of luck for whatever you do... and beware... Beepster may randomly "message" you (we at Beepster Inc prefer not to use the term "stalking") from time to time. Feel free to enforce restraining order as you see fit but I have some REALLY GREAT IDEAS TO SHARE WITH YOU MANG!!! and now for an obligatory, and horribly outdated, meme to slam the joke home...
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 03:44:21
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Heh... I totally forgot about this chick. Much lulz. Many crazy.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 03:49:30
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lol... I shoulda been using these on Baps for years.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 04:19:43
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Beepster
lol... I shoulda been using these on Baps for years.
No offense... This is kind of why I started this thread in the SONAR forum instead of here.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 04:24:44
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Larry Jones
No offense... This is kind of why I started this thread in the SONAR forum instead of here.
No offense taken. I am well aware I am an idiot. ;-) but admit it... you giggled
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 04:32:08
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Larry Jones
No offense... This is kind of why I started this thread in the SONAR forum instead of here.
You may have started it there, but it ended up in the toilet just the same  ,
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 15:07:52
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Anderton
I don't know if anyone at Cakewalk uses SONAR as extensively in real-world projects as I do...
This is where Cakewalk and SONAR development might take the biggest hit. As Craig was a power user of SONAR, he could interact with the developers during the development of SONAR and provide a voice from the user end. Too many times software (any type - not just DAWs) is written by folks who never have to use it. As a result, they tend to write it in ways that make sense to the programmer, but not the user. The loss of Craig at Cakewalk may result in future updates that make sense from a programmers point of view, but not from a user's point of view. I love SONAR, and hope this doesn't happen, but time will ultimately tell....
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 15:14:27
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What's striking to me is why Cakewalk didn't/can't hire Craig now.
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Re: Some Thoughts on Craig's Departure
2017/10/20 15:15:20
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Larry Jones
PS: What's "IBTL?"
In before the lock.
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