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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/21 20:43:21
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Man.
It doesn't happen very often, but I don't know what to say. I want to ask about the ring mod, and those luscious filter sweep, and the obvious StepGen action. But I can't. I just keep listening. I'll have to get back to you on this.
Those freakin' oscillators. You were right.
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lawapa
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/21 21:04:48
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Mucho THANKS Mr. SynthMan. Me and Mr.B agree on this whole heartly. This is lovely stuff. The atmospheric qualities of this make it such a solid gotta get here. This is nice. But after D pro I expected this to be special. My humble thanks to all who worked so hard to make this synth what it is. NOW on with the RELEASE already will ya ;)+)
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Rick McNab 
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/21 21:05:46
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Nice track. Thanks! How about a tutorial on how to create a track like that? Word to describe Rapture which comes to mind: Elegant. Maybe not as "phat" as impOscar or Twin, but definitely detailed and rich. Of course I would love to be proven wrong on the former with some more demos :-)
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/21 23:35:04
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Extremely Nice!!!! You make it easier and easier for me to spend money on this  I really like the ambient atmosphere sounds. This seems just up my alley. Thanks to you and your team for developing this, Rene. Adam
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lawapa
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/21 23:52:36
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I would assume this sequence used the stock patches in Rapture? The vocal like sounds in this are very nice. So the question? Did this use any dimension SFZ's. I understand that Rapture will ship with minimal content meaning it's not heavy on the big SFZ sets like Dpro, but the sounds in the browser are built around the wavetables included. Smaller in size but in no way smaller in potiential. This is a most impressive developement ;)+) The more I listen,***** lets just say I'm excited.
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 00:01:31
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Yea I want this synth so bad now. PLZ let there be a student discount. (If cake would respond to my email about it.........)
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 00:58:36
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Yea I want this synth so bad now. PLZ let there be a student discount. (If cake would respond to my email about it.........) You said they have a student discount on dimension Pro so perhaps they will do the same with Rapture. They never will talk about such things until the product launch
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 01:11:43
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PLZ let there be a student discount. There'll be one (eventually), it just won't be as much as you want, my guess. Whatchagonnado.
To think, at one time P5 was a $429 MSRP app. I think that technology and music has always been together, and I think music is science, anyway. - Vangelis The Other P5 Forum
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 01:31:30
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Yeah. I'd just like to find out soon so I can get my parents to grab it for me for my birthday on the 11th of next month .
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Paradroid
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 04:26:38
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For your amusement. That was more the mere amusement… that was enjoyment. Tasty stuff maestro! 
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Rick McNab
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 04:34:32
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Super Green - You really need to use your ingenuity to figure out how to scare up the 2 bones to cop this synth, man. It aint that hard. If that's your picture then you got 2 things going for you already. Like I said - mow a couple of extra lawns (or snowblow depending on your region), or try one of probably hundreds of alternative legal ways to get the bread. I bet someone else your age w/ your demographics could figure out how to go from zero to $200 between now and release date.
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 14:06:25
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I'm waiting for my AARP discount
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SuperGreenX
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 18:03:04
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ORIGINAL: Rick McNab
Super Green - You really need to use your ingenuity to figure out how to scare up the 2 bones to cop this synth, man. It aint that hard. If that's your picture then you got 2 things going for you already. Like I said - mow a couple of extra lawns (or snowblow depending on your region), or try one of probably hundreds of alternative legal ways to get the bread. I bet someone else your age w/ your demographics could figure out how to go from zero to $200 between now and release date.
Hehe. No one has lawns to mow on campus :P. I'm 21. Do I look really young in that goofy picture of me? And I do have enough money for it, I just have a bit of a hard time justifying $200 for a synth....ANY synth. I have synths already, so I can make music. This is just a better one . Anyway, Cake responded to my question about academic pricing: At this time, there have been no
announcements for an academic release of Rapture. However, we normally
offer academic pricing on our products, so there will most likely be an
academic offer soon after it's release on 2/27/06. I'll have to wait to order it then.
 
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René
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 19:10:59
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Thanks for your kind words guys. This was actually the first track ever written for Rapture by any human been, as it was still in pre-alpha. It kinda behaved back then tho All the patches in the track made it into Rapture final. There's no other files or samples that the factory wavetables shipped with Rapture, those are either in wav files or in sfz files with embedded waves. No effects, no eq, no mastering, no mixing automation. Just picked a few presets and layered those. Less-than-30 minutes work. -René
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Rick McNab
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 19:59:51
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I'm just messin' w/ you SGX. I look for academic discounts, too, even being up in years from you. I went back to college and use those discounts whenever I can. I don't think you will be seeing them until the product has been out for a while. Still, if you really want the synth, then I say $200 is peanuts. Think of what you'd have to pay for a piece of hardware that does the same thing.
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lawapa
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 21:16:22
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Less-than-30 minutes work. Well I've listened to your demo tunes before. Gotta say you do a great job at both synths and sequences. I did figure the sounds were just rapture but I thought I'd check anyway. I was sold some time back even before Mr. B and Chad feedin his donut addiction started fanning the flames. Chad sent me a link to his melt the comp grainulor SFZ. So when Rature gets here I will load that up a take a run at this. nOw I've started thinking about DPro and Rapture. Having both on my system. I'll have the entire set. That's almost to scary to think about. That much sound power. Add some z3ta/Pentagon to the pot bring to boil and render. Sonic Soup ;)+)
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Rick McNab
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 21:18:39
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It really is a promising axe. (Just trying to get 100 posts to see what happens!) Oh, I guess nothing. Of course I could have figured that out by noticing that lawapa has over 200 posts he's bronze along with me. Duh!
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 22:24:18
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This was actually the first track ever written for Rapture by any human been, as it was still in pre-alpha. It kinda behaved back then tho This got me to thinking: Can you imagine how difficult it is for Rene to "stop"? That is, when you're designing a synth of this magnitude, and you have to reach that balance point where you say, "This is cool enough." Knowing that you could take it further. Hard enough before the merger.  Listen, Rene: I've just got to say this. Rapture is one incredible-sounding synth. Period. We won't even talk about the tweaking. Bravo, Maestro. Bravo. You just raised the bar.
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lawapa
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/22 23:30:37
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Can you imagine how difficult it is for Rene to "stop"? Ohhh! You hit the nail there Brock. But He does have to save some fun stuff for the next best thing right? Once this puppy gets going and sales start creeping up on platinum what do you suspect he'll work on next? I put my faith in Brocks crystal ball. Your ability to intuit what might be has served the rapture que well. So sharpen those psychic abilities and pronounce a reading. You do seem to have the gift Brock, no sense in waisting this.
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Rick McNab
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/23 05:04:07
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I think in the computer programming world they call it "gold plating" the application.
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/23 05:32:16
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Can you imagine how difficult it is for Rene to "stop"? Au contraire: can you imagine how difficult it is to “stop†René? Here's the drill: René thinks “is it the best on the planet yet?†If, no keep working. If yes, keep working until “marketting guy†catches wind of “best on planet†status and initiates intervention…
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b rock
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/23 06:03:42
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So sharpen those psychic abilities and pronounce a reading. I've already said something about the "O"-tron: four virtual ports/16 channels in multi-"o" mode. That's so 2006, now. My guess is that you won't be able to listen to the Next One directly without turning to stone. You'll have to look at the GUI in a mirror in order to tweak it safely. It'll be called Medusa. But, if you hit your sustain pedal, the synth breaks up into 64 individual satellite synths. With the Mod & aftertouch, you can patch each of the 16,384 individual sections in a modular fashion. Serial or parallel. Then, there's Sfz 3.0. I get a lot of professional courtesy magazines each month, and I still read EM. There's always at least one article in it that gets me all excited with the potential. This month, it was something like "Advanced LFO Modulation Techniques Revealed!" OK, hmm ... LFO vibrato. Well, you have to start somewhere. Then, two oscillators amp-controlled by an LFO. OK, but ... Detuning one oscillator of many slowly with an LFO. ... Um, that's it? Where's the part about one-shots and user-definable LFOs? Where's the other 41 LFO's? Boring. You see, I've been spoiled. And, Dale: that's why I need to find that [Marketing] Cakewalk guy ASAP. Before he ruins everything.
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Paradroid
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/23 07:30:27
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I need to find that [Marketing] Cakewalk guy ASAP. Before he ruins everything. Mmm, sock him one from me too, will ya? If he doesn't understand how to exploit users who offer to pay double for a one week headstart or try weasling new opcodes out of René by offering to mow his lawn for a year, well, what sort of business sense is that?
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/25 22:22:46
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That was absolutely amazing! Can a newbie like myself ask this: That track - was it created entirely within Rapture. In other words, is Rapture a sequencer or was Rapture used to make the instrument sounds? (I'm confused but wanna learn). Thanks! P.S. I'm an old Cakewalk Home Studio user.
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lawapa
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/25 23:32:42
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Rapture is a synth. If you version of HS supports softies/DXi/VSTi then all you do is load it up and sequence what you want to hear ;)+)
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Rick McNab
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/26 01:09:08
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I don't think that's entirely true. What he's asking is how "rhythmic" Rapture can get? Although lawapa is correct in that traditionally a synth such as Rapture would function as a plug-in within a computer-based sequencing program such as Sonar, Project 5, Home Studio, or the myriad of others, nevertheless Rapture has its own rhythm generating capabilities as well. I speak of the step generators, which act as a mini-sequencer. Check out B Rock's pre-release tutorials for details.
That's what's so cool about Rapture to me - the ability to generate those club/trance/modern/whatever arpeggiator and sequencer sounds right out of the unit.
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René
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/26 08:34:59
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Can a newbie like myself ask this: That track - was it created entirely within Rapture. In other words, is Rapture a sequencer or was Rapture used to make the instrument sounds? (I'm confused but wanna learn). Thanks! Steve, I used SONAR5 to create the track, but I would say that you can use any host to do it, including SONAR Home Studio. You need to stack several instances, where each one is playing a different sound, and then play and record. I think those were like 6 or 7 Rapture instances. -René
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/26 08:44:19
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Rick brings up an interesting point. I also looked at Steve's question and saw that it could be answered two different ways. While I think that Rene tracked those sounds in by layer [considering pre-alpha timing and all], the crazy part is that this piece *could* have been played in live in one shot. With the proper programming and keyboard splits, you could take a single instance of Rapture, arrange the Elements with distinctive sounds, and pull it off in one go. Trigger some very long overlapping envelopes for the thematic sweeps, the rhythmic timbre & nuance changes from the Step Sequencers, those occasional "sweeps to outer space" with a few key triggers, and maybe even the entrance of the bass pedal notes. Or work that in with your left hand around the EG triggers. That leaves your right hand free for that amazingly expressive solo line. I know: it's nuts, but it *could* be done that way with a little prep and some chops. Check out B Rock's pre-release tutorials for details. Hehe. Doesn't this sound even crazier out of context? Like, "look to this guy who's typing speculative BS for more information". Boy, I hope I'm right with those 'tutorials'. We'll all know in a couple of days or so. Edit: Oops! Missed the real answer from Rene at these blazing modem speeds.
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RE: Some more Rapture noises
2006/02/26 13:33:45
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Steve, I used SONAR5 to create the track, but I would say that you can use any host to do it, including SONAR Home Studio. You need to stack several instances, where each one is playing a different sound, and then play and record. I think those were like 6 or 7 Rapture instances.
-René
Thank you! That's the answer I was looking for and I thought that would be the case. My very old version of Cakewalk Home Studio is now going bye-bye as it was getting a little dated and problematic on my new PC. I ordered Sonar 5 Studio and some books on Sonor 5 from Amazon. Once I get a handle on that that, I know I will probably want to get Rapture to create those amazing sounds.
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