Some old-Sonar-user perspectives beginning to get over the top in here

I normally leave the room if I need fresh air ... :-)

Happy New Year !!

You make a good point -- it truly isn't funny or helpful for the happy X1 user to be told that he must be a fanboy or obviously not a heavy user. This too shall pass!

Happy New Year!
Brian

jim,

Perhaps I am a worst offender,

It is simply that when Cakewalk sold us v8 the input echo for record didn't work... absolute deal killer... and people said "oh I love it".

I forget what happened in 8.5...it was patched very quickly at first, but 8.5.3 broke set measure at now... so another deal killer so I could not enjoy the benefit of the things 8.5.3 did fix in 8.5.

Now in X1 Cakewalk sent out a 5th generation of Audio Snap and it doesn't actually *snap*... absolute deal killer and people are saying "oh I love it".

I'll be moving back into my I could care less mode within the next week or two...

Hang in there my friend.

You are of course correct that the behavior is unsavory... my persoal choice at the moment is to walk away from $2580 worth of upgrading and thousands of hours of experience just because too many people say "oh I love it" rather than demand that Cakewalk make a habit of doing it right the first time.

I could have waited 6 months... but whatever bugs they don't fix by next Dec... will never be fixed and it will time to upgrade again... so I just buy it asap and wait until it's usable. It is the exact same cycle each and every year.

It's ugly... but honestly, the customers did not set the stage... we are just playing out the 2nd Act.

I thank you for you personal contribution of reasonable commentary regarding both the negative comments and the positive comments.

I hope you have a great New Year.

best regards,
mike

The original posters thoughts were very similar to an earlier response I made to the thread:
I actually think X1 is a fantastic improvement, anyone else? In it I made the following observation:

"Despite my feelings, I understand others concerns as how one uses a tool is a very personal thing and if how you use it is somehow impacted, you have every right to voice concerns.  Every users opinion is at the very least valid to the one voicing it, but some seem to think they somehow speak for "the vast majority", or the "more knowledgeable minority" and threads with concerns quickly degrade into multi page noise where the initial concern is lost and replaced with people cross posting concerns or praises unrelated to the original posters issue.  Just like valid praise that becomes a form of fanboi-ism when stated too many times, valid concerns quickly become grumpy rants when repeated across every thread someone posts in regardless of the original topic.  Imagine being a developer or company support person tasked with filtering the wheat from the chaff from this forum - I can understand the feeling of throwing up ones hands."

Guess what - right after I made the observation that there certainly is a lot of cross posting of issues going on without concern to the original topic of the thread which in this case was obviously for folks that feel X1 is a pretty nice release someone took the opportunity to post not praise, not what they liked about the product, but concerns about X1 that have been mentioned in threads specifically for those problems.

So to the OP - I feel your pain.  But I also want to note that in the quote above I recognize that real users have real problems that have impacted how they use Sonar, but just like praise becoming fanboi-ism very quickly when one cannot see that perhaps something is wrong for someone, repeating ones concerns in threads not related to your problem starts to make this forum a very unpleasant place to try and garner real tips or methods that would help users navigate their way through this new release.

I hope the new year will bring the Cakewalk staff back to full and allow for some answers and possible moderation to the unwieldy threads that become argumentative back and forths with little solutions or useful information.

Happy New year all!

Okay, I'm not gonna read ANY of the posts describing how the OP is right or wrong.  I'm just going to put this in here so that some of you will know why I've been trying to focus on problems and solutions and nothing else.

My vacation is over on Monday.  I'm back to work at my 50-hour job plus personal responsibilities.  I will not have a lot of time for Sonar then.

I will no longer have hours-on-end available to learn X1.  That is why I am scurrying to learn what I can and use this forum to the best of my ability without partaking in these soap operatic love/hate threads. 

And that is why I get frustrated when a can-do thread begins to take on the look and feel of a love/hate thread.  Opinions are opinions, and we all have the right to them.  But, with X1B and then someday X2 (or X1V2, or whatever), our "today opinions" will no doubt change.

So "today," I don't care who thinks X1 is great, and I don't care who thinks it is terrible.  It's not gonna matter in six months.  In the meantime, I have decided to use it going forward, as a companion to Cubase.  I will not be using 8.5, and that's only because of time and resource constraints.  But mind you, when somebody says "go back to 8.5", that is not helpful to me or to somebody else who has decided to forge forward through a problem.

Yes, for people who have nothing but problems, and for people who are in a morose catatonic state from their buttons, functions, or cheese being moved, then maybe they should revert to 8.5.  That is an assessment that each person needs to make on his/her own accord.

But for some poor schmuck who reports an issue, to be told to go back to 8.5 is not a good use of this forum, even if it is done in humor or jest.  Such answers only serve to waste the problem-reporter's time, and it wastes everybody else's time, too.

As a digression - I'd like to note that I am recognizing some internal design techniques in X1 that I think will serve Cakewalk and users well for many years to come.  But it is a huge undertaking, requiring a total rethinking of the underpinnings.  For that reason, I don't think Cakewalk could have possibly considered maintaining two separate code streams. 

No way, it would be too expensive.  But if my hunch is correct, this IS the best way forward for many versions to come.  The road is just bumpy right now, because some of it has not yet been paved and some of what is paved still has potholes and bugs.

But I've given this due consideration, and this is the decision I have made.  I'm moving forward.  And I will support Cakewalk in their effort because I don't believe I've been ripped off.  I do believe that the code and interface changes have been made in an attempt to position Sonar for the future, and so far, only some of it shows on the surface.

I could be wrong.  But that will come to light in due time.

I thank those of you who understand my (and others like me who) need to focus on problems and solutions.

Now.   It's time to get ready for New Year's Eve.  Be safe everybody, and have a happy and prosperous 2011.

@jind
it was exactly your thread, which repeated the described kind of experience once more, that caused me to pronounce my concern. ;-)

@stone house studios:
come on, that's a too cheap hit below the belt. You don't seriously think that I now begin to try to look like an at least SOMEWHAT experienced user, or try to rub off a fanboy allegation? ;-) Happy new year as well!

 
Umm . . . .yes, er I mean no?   I thought I was agreeing with you!
(Where's the "I can't get a good read on this" emoticon?)
 
Happy New year!

Positively Charged


Okay, I'm not gonna read ANY of the posts describing how the OP is right or wrong.  I'm just going to put this in here so that some of you will know why I've been trying to focus on problems and solutions and nothing else.

My vacation is over on Monday.  I'm back to work at my 50-hour job plus personal responsibilities.  I will not have a lot of time for Sonar then.

I will no longer have hours-on-end available to learn X1.  That is why I am scurrying to learn what I can and use this forum to the best of my ability without partaking in these soap operatic love/hate threads. 

And that is why I get frustrated when a can-do thread begins to take on the look and feel of a love/hate thread.  Opinions are opinions, and we all have the right to them.  But, with X1B and then someday X2 (or X1V2, or whatever), our "today opinions" will no doubt change.

So "today," I don't care who thinks X1 is great, and I don't care who thinks it is terrible.  It's not gonna matter in six months.  In the meantime, I have decided to use it going forward, as a companion to Cubase.  I will not be using 8.5, and that's only because of time and resource constraints.  But mind you, when somebody says "go back to 8.5", that is not helpful to me or to somebody else who has decided to forge forward through a problem.

Yes, for people who have nothing but problems, and for people who are in a morose catatonic state from their buttons, functions, or cheese being moved, then maybe they should revert to 8.5.  That is an assessment that each person needs to make on his/her own accord.

But for some poor schmuck who reports an issue, to be told to go back to 8.5 is not a good use of this forum, even if it is done in humor or jest.  Such answers only serve to waste the problem-reporter's time, and it wastes everybody else's time, too.

As a digression - I'd like to note that I am recognizing some internal design techniques in X1 that I think will serve Cakewalk and users well for many years to come.  But it is a huge undertaking, requiring a total rethinking of the underpinnings.  For that reason, I don't think Cakewalk could have possibly considered maintaining two separate code streams. 

No way, it would be too expensive.  But if my hunch is correct, this IS the best way forward for many versions to come.  The road is just bumpy right now, because some of it has not yet been paved and some of what is paved still has potholes and bugs.

But I've given this due consideration, and this is the decision I have made.  I'm moving forward.  And I will support Cakewalk in their effort because I don't believe I've been ripped off.  I do believe that the code and interface changes have been made in an attempt to position Sonar for the future, and so far, only some of it shows on the surface.

I could be wrong.  But that will come to light in due time.

I thank those of you who understand my (and others like me who) need to focus on problems and solutions.

Now.   It's time to get ready for New Year's Eve.  Be safe everybody, and have a happy and prosperous 2011.

I'm going back to the previous version of this Forum software where I could say who my response was to, without having to quote (any part) the post I was referring to.


Anyone want to join me?

Good post Pos-Charged!!!

I am liking X1 and will stick with it.

Happy New Year All!

John


One thing for me is I am completely fascinated by X1.

Did you get it yet? You won't be disapointed John I don't think. The more I play with it the more I like it. In fact really liking it. I can see where CW is going with this.