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2011/08/11 23:50:22 (permalink)

Some threads have reply options -others don't

Here's a soon-to-be-moved topic:

--For the first time, tonight when I click on a thread I might want to add to, I can't always do so.  Some threads come up with the reply box and the reply options available - but other threads have No options for responding.

And an interesting difference between the threads I can add to and the ones I can't:

---The threads with reply boxes are neutral in their tone about X1.  They're from users just asking questions about how to do various things.

--The ones with no reply functions available are threads which have at least a hint of the OP being unhappy in some way with X1.

Reporting my observation.  Conclusions can obviously be drawn.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/11 23:54:24 (permalink)
    Some appear to have been locked as well....

    Pre-emptive strikes as it were....

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 00:18:24 (permalink)
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    Some appear to have been locked as well....

    Pre-emptive strikes as it were....


    Ah Thanks for the confirmation on that, Trimph1-- I thought maybe I was in the Twilight Zone or something.  It's good to hear that you also see that some threads are locked, even though they don't seem to have the locked icon on them.  It's --embarrassing.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 00:22:14 (permalink)
    And when you look at the tone of these, conclusions CAN obviously be drawn.

    All I can say is "Are you surprised ?. I'm not, and with the tone and often straight out misinformation accompanied with
    a twist of bitterness the best thing that could happen is to shut them off".

    No, I'm not a fanboi, but I would like to continue to enjoy coming here - and the usefulness and purpose of this
    forum is not served by the type of extreme threads/posts I believe you are referring to.

    Honestly, they don't even warrant being commented on, and I don't understand why you feel the need to even start
    this thread unless it's your sole intention to needlesly stir the pot.

    There's nothing interesting about the difference between the threads which can be replied to and those that can't,
    you're just stating the obvious, so I can only guess you have some agenda.

    The mods should just shut this thread down now, it serves no useful purpose here, and that too is clear and obvious. Shame.


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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 00:30:41 (permalink)
    It all goes back to the 'Perception trumps reality' thing I keep talking about.

    There's a perception that Cakewalk is hiding the truth about X1 by locking threads.

    True or not, that's what happens when you do that.

    It's actually better to delete them IMO. That way nobody sees anything and this wouldn't come up ... but I think it's a perfectly legitimate question and see no harm in it.

    You post is over the top and kind of out of line Cliffr. That's just my opinion, just as your post is yours ...

    No problem though.

    Thanks,

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 00:39:59 (permalink)
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    And when you look at the tone of these, conclusions CAN obviously be drawn.

    All I can say is "Are you surprised ?. I'm not, and with the tone and often straight out misinformation accompanied with
    a twist of bitterness the best thing that could happen is to shut them off".

    No, I'm not a fanboi, but I would like to continue to enjoy coming here - and the usefulness and purpose of this
    forum is not served by the type of extreme threads/posts I believe you are referring to.

    Honestly, they don't even warrant being commented on, and I don't understand why you feel the need to even start
    this thread unless it's your sole intention to needlesly stir the pot.

    There's nothing interesting about the difference between the threads which can be replied to and those that can't,
    you're just stating the obvious, so I can only guess you have some agenda.

    The mods should just shut this thread down now, it serves no useful purpose here, and that too is clear and obvious. Shame.


    Hi, Cliffr--Thanks for the reply.

    My intention in starting this thread was to express my surprise.  Now it's been confirmed that threads deemed "too negative" are being blocked, and that's the first time I've ever seen that at any forum.  My Agenda is to have conversations freely flowing about X1, just as that's the topic--"fill in the Blank-name-of-software"- at any forum I visit.  I do my bit to help people with their problems with X1.  I'm not an un-constructive member of this or any of the other Cakewalk Forums. 

    I'm "just stating the obvious"--when I point out that questions expressing frustration are blocked--?  OK--well, somehow that wasn't ever obvious to me until tonight when I had a bit of Positive insight to offer someone having X1 difficulties, but I couldn't do it, I couldn't reply, because the mods locked the thread.

    hehe--"Shame"--Well, maybe you're a good Catholic fanboi, despite your protestations to the contrary, but you are absurd to invoke "shame" on someone who simply wants Cakewalk software to work as well as it used to, and who finds it embarrassing and --Shameful, for a company to go locking conversation threads which might include a >gasp!< hint of criticism of their product.  Those are the actions of a frantic captain still shouting orders when the ship is sinking--ya know?  Who wants to look like that captain except maybe someone who really knows the ship is sinking--?

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 01:37:34 (permalink)
    @Randyb:  The way you started this thread with "Here's a soon-to-be-moved topic" gives a rather different impression
    as to what you are now saying.
    The forum is supposed to be user / peer to peer foum  for X1 users to help each other. That's just simply not what I'm seeing here.
    If you want to indulge in name calling I'm OK with that, maybe I'm misinterpreting what you just said ?, but it certainly wouldn't appear so.


    @Bub: Yes I agree, you are 100% correct about perception trumping reality, and there are certainly threads which would be
    better deleted than locked.
    I don't agree that I'm out of line here though ... the best I can do here is agree to disagree :-).

    I don't mean any disrespect to either you Bub, or Randy, or anyone else here for that matter.


    If you look around you'll see there's also been a lot of trollish behavior in some thread of late.

    Then look at the start of this thread and have a good think about how it would be perceived, I don't think it looks constructive at all.

    I know you've both been valuable contributors to these forums in the past, and I for one would like to see it stay that way.

    However, that said, this is NOT what I come here for - I've been drawn in and sucked into the very thing I detest about forums,
    so I'm out of here and I'll leave all you good forumites to your business.
    I'm sure you can all do quite happily without me, and it will allow be to be less distracted and more productive.

    So farewell and good luck with your endevours.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 01:45:07 (permalink)
    I miss all the excitement, all the threads must have been deleted 'cos I can only find one locked thread. It's fairly obvious why that's been locked as well.

    Randy, I would agree that you have been a very helpful contributor to these forums but of late there is a lot of bitterness in many of your replies that I would call far from helpful. I can link some examples for you if you wish but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 06:24:15 (permalink)
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    My intention in starting this thread was to express my surprise.  Now it's been confirmed that threads deemed "too negative" are being blocked,
    Eh? Confirmed by who?

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 06:29:22 (permalink)
    To declare an interest though, I actually wish it was as you describe. This forum would be improved immeasurably by tougher moderation. It's a peer to peer forum for users to help each other get stuff done. Not an open ended review site.

    As I was saying to someone else the other day: plainly, you think X1 is flawed. That's real interesting, and not made any duller by you coming on and saying it every single day. Keep it up, we're all absolutely riveted. This other stuff, about how Cakewalk are a sinister organisation impinging on your free speech, let's have more of that too. At least it's funny, what with being absolutely drooling-down-the-chin crazy.

    As for this thread, what is it but an attempt to create a contentious thread, and kick up a fuss? Nothing, that's what. No point to it other than causing hassle.

    Go and get a hobby or something for god's sake.
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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 06:44:02 (permalink)
    Now JohnT....there was no need to get all crabby about the dang thing..it was just that a something occured and he was surprised that is all.

    As for the threads themselves..well..I would like to think that we, as adults, should be able to discuss these things without the kind of moderation you seem to be appealing to here. 

    Yes, some have posted in here on the spur of the moment, making rather crabby threads about this, that, or the other issue..does not mean someone has to come onto the thread all defensive about it either...

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 06:50:06 (permalink)
    trimph1

    As for the threads themselves..well..I would like to think that we, as adults, should be able to discuss these things without the kind of moderation you seem to be appealing to here. 


    You'd think, yeah, but it's not proving to be the case.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 07:36:31 (permalink)
    I would say rbowsers reason for his "soon to be moved" comment was that if a thread isn't on topic that is specifically about SONAR X1 in this forum then it will get moved to the appropriate forum or coffee house oif too general.

    i didn't pickup on any inference to the contrary and I didn't think he was stirrng the pot.

    In fact the other day I returned to a post thread because I saw Seth shown has having made the last post in it to find it had been locked.

    I looked for a way to distinguish a locked thread from the topics list and couldn't so in effect unless you go to the last entry and see that a moderator has said the thread's been locked you don't know-least I didn't.

    If for example you start on page one of a five page thread and want to reply to a post on page three you get the thing that randy is talking about ie. unable to reply but nothing that tells you the thread's locked.

    Some threads start out fine and go on for pages before they deteriorate to the point wher the mods lock the page.

    If there is an external indicator icon or color or something I'd be happy to be educated 'cause I can'r find it.

    I guess a reason that some threads are locked and not deleted (I now some are/have been) is that often there is still good information in there but the bad stuff has happened at the end. It also serves as a reminder that the mods don't have unlimited patience but they do prefer that we police our own conduct. That is that I determine to behave properly myself not someone else tell me to behave. I reckon that's the purview of the moderators.
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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 07:49:47 (permalink)
    man I must need new glasses.

    When a thread is locked there is a tiny lock icon at the far left of the topics list for that thread- very hard for me to distinguish without a real hard look.

    working @1920 x 1080 on an 18" laptop which makes the those icons just a bit small for to distinguish easily.

    have to look harder.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 07:57:03 (permalink)
    Noel just replied to the 'slow bounce' thread and then locked it.

    ok, so it gives Cake the last word, but also prevent others posting legitimate relevant questions without having to start a new thread for the same subject...

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 08:01:21 (permalink)
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    man I must need new glasses.

    When a thread is locked there is a tiny lock icon at the far left of the topics list for that thread- very hard for me to distinguish without a real hard look.

    working @1920 x 1080 on an 18" laptop which makes the those icons just a bit small for to distinguish easily.

    have to look harder.

    I actually caught the slow bounce thread just as it got locked!!


    Talk about weird interaction..one post had both reply and option boxes..the next one..suddenly..no reply box!!


    It took me a few seconds to figure out what happened.....

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 10:15:40 (permalink)
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    man I must need new glasses.

    When a thread is locked there is a tiny lock icon at the far left of the topics list for that thread- very hard for me to distinguish without a real hard look...



    I guess I do too.  I've never paid attention to those little pulsating blobs on the left side of the page, but see a tiny padlock on some threads now.

    My post starting this thread already seems naive to me.  Like - how could I have never noticed that threads get locked?  Well, I had noticed locked threads where admins wrapped things up with a "This conversation isn't going anywhere anymore, so we're locking it."

    But I'd never noticed threads just suddenly locked without explanation.  Last night I really thought something was wrong with either my computer or the forum software - I kept clicking on a thread to reply, no place to write - I'd click another thread at random - there was the text box.

    And so I asked my question, since I didn't get what was going on.  All I could see was that non-functioning threads contained some criticisms of X1.  The first person responding confirmed that yes, some threads get shut down. 

    OK, so now I know.  I asked a simple question, made a simple observation, and got the simple answer and an avalanche of uproar over my observation.  Good heavens - I had no intention of making anyone's blood pressure rise.  Beg pardon for that.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 10:34:27 (permalink)
    Don't worry Randy, ol pal.  Nobody's in danger of stroking out over your query.  John T, for instance, apparently "lives to reply" even tho he knows his instant, constant, knee-jerk admonishments are just as "riveting" to most of us as he feigns the incessant, repetitive carping is to him.  Course, I say that with love.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 10:51:08 (permalink)
    Hi Everyone,

    I'd like to clarify a few things -
    1. We don't mind criticism at all, I think you'll find it hard to find other forums that allow the amount that we do actually. 
    2. What is getting out of control is all the childish bickering and de-railing of real conversations
    This is a peer to peer forum for folks to find help and talk about things they're experiencing.  It's not a place to harass each other.  If topics continue to degrade into bickering and folks continue to derail them - topics will continue to get locked.

     . . .and yes I did move this to the Coffee House.

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 11:02:03 (permalink)
    Hi Randy,

    Seemed like a legitimate question to me? I just learned how to look for a locked thread.

    Thanks,

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 11:02:32 (permalink)
    Hey, look!  Somebody sent us a present! 

    Before we unwrap it, somebody should make sure Karyn's ready to take a shot if necessary.  It's just a precaution.
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     Shouldn't someone tell Willy about the name change to Bapu's Basement before he embarrasses himself? 

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 11:36:11 (permalink)
    I'm sure the shock of the embarassment of association with us is so severe that a little additional trauma is really no big deal.  After awhile, shame becomes a warm blanket, under which one may find temporary shelter from cruel reality.  We wrap up in it, attempting to snuggle our way into warmth and safety.

    This may be what invites such derisive laughter by one's "friends" when one brings one's blanky out in public.  The fact that it's emblazoned with a picture of Jar-Jar may be a contributing factor.
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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 11:45:05 (permalink)
    So what's this thread about?

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 11:48:44 (permalink)
    You know how parents will sometimes lock doors to protect a child from things such as the family arsenal, toxic waste, or a way out of the crawlspace?  It's like that...kind of.
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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 12:01:18 (permalink)
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    I'm sure the shock of the embarassment of association with us is so severe that a little additional trauma is really no big deal.  After awhile, shame becomes a warm blanket, under which one may find temporary shelter from cruel reality.  We wrap up in it, attempting to snuggle our way into warmth and safety.

    This may be what invites such derisive laughter by one's "friends" when one brings one's blanky out in public.  The fact that it's emblazoned with a picture of Jar-Jar may be a contributing factor.


    Good point

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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/12 13:05:33 (permalink)
    I just read a thread over on KVR this morning titled "KVR Sucks". I thought it might be entertaining, and it was. But by the time I had finished reading the first page, the thread was gone, deleted. The mods over there are diligent, which is why you don't see much spam on KVR.

    However, the KVR criteria for thread deletion are well-defined and consistently applied. Simply controversial threads are merely locked, not deleted - leaving some entertaining reading behind. Deletion is only invoked for obvious spam and trolling, which the "KVR Sucks" thread was (the opening post was just a sequence of "F"s). When a thread is locked, the final post always contains an explanation as to why it was locked.

    Any thriving forum will follow similar policies, and as far as I can tell, this one does.

    The most recently-locked thread that I could find was a nontechnical opinion thread that started with "please don't flame me...but..." and predictably devolved into pointless bickering, spurred on by our most successful provocateur since The Sheriff left town. Personally, I would have tossed it into the CH and preserved it for entertainment value, but Seth properly locked it because it violated the policy against personal attacks.


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    Bub
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    Re:Some threads have reply options -others don't 2011/08/16 02:06:53 (permalink)
    bitflipper

    Personally, I would have tossed it into the CH and preserved it for entertainment value, but Seth properly locked it because it violated the policy against personal attacks.
    Honestly, I don't see why he locked it? I've seen a lot worse than that thread and nothing was done about it. I am glad though that I wasn't involved in it. HEH!

    Seems to me the mods here follow the "at the moderators sole discretion" clause in the TOS more than they follow the actual rules set by it.

    But hey ... it's their forum ... they can do whatever they want, right? Right.



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