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2012/05/21 20:15:56 (permalink)

Somebody has to ask it.. (Proteus expansion pack topic)

are any of you using any of the Proteus Expansion packs to create modern music?  I know Proteus used to be be very commonly used but one has to wonder how useful they are now.  Yes, I know one can always find use for even the oldest sounds, but my question is not one of possibilities but of actualities.  A good example is Mo-Phatt. If I was trying to create a mid to late 90's hip-hop song, it would be perfect, but I can't say that comes up very often for me.  Am I missing something? Are these particular sounds still in wide enough usage to be worth more than simply a novelty pickup? Don't get me wrong.  Emu made quality product.  I just have to wonder how a sample based product so dated stands up in the modern music scene. I can't even find a demo
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Re:Somebody has to ask it.. (Proteus expansion pack topic) 2012/05/21 22:24:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Samples can be abused to create new sounds, and the proteus hardware's Z-plane filters are unique. The majority of people however are preset users so the power of these older synths were never fully utilized by the majority of users. However, the sample packs are high quality samples that can be used in ways beyond he original presets. But "presets" is a bit of a misnomer since the sample packs playing through Dimension is not the same as the samples playing through the hardware synth's z-plane filters.

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Re:Somebody has to ask it.. (Proteus expansion pack topic) 2012/05/22 11:39:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
A common trick used to give new life to those older sounds is to 'layer' them with other sounds. Either layer them with other Proteus sounds or sounds from other synths/modules. On most modern productions you will rarely hear a single un-layered synth sound. Layering older sounds with more modern sounds essentially creates a newer-sounding hybrid sound. Layering also makes it harder for other musicians to pinpoint (or copy) your exact sound. 

I actually bought the Kontakt version of the EMU soundsets instead of the Dim Pro versions mainly because Dim Pro doesn't support multi-timbral mode. Whereas with Kontakt, it's ridiculously easy to stack(layer) multiple sounds.

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Re:Somebody has to ask it.. (Proteus expansion pack topic) 2012/05/22 19:35:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpful

I agree about the Kontakt version... he did a fantabulous job with those patches. I had kept the original Proteus VX versions around for a couple of years (got them for free w/ an emu x-board), but never really used them because the interface was crap. So when he came out with the Kontakt version I jumped on it (I think I got them on sale, IIRC), and it was well worth the $$$. 

Of course, you're getting what you're getting, which are base samples from a very dated hardware unit (+ expansion cards, obviously)... so the samples themselves are "small"... e.g., don't expect multiple velocity layers for a guitar patch etc. They had to fit into a 32-64MB or whatever ROM and PCMCIA cards. So... cut back on the sample rate (maybe 24-32kHz max), compress to under 16-bit or whatever, no sustains, loop points all over blue hell, limited to no multi-samples (for some patches, a single sample would be stretched across the keyboard), limited to no velocity layers depending on the sample, etc. etc.

That being said, if you're looking for a "ROMpler" type sound that you've have stuck in your head since 1993, it's a fantastic set of sounds. The Korg M1, Wavestation, et al plugs are another good example. Dated, but very very useful for the stuff I do, which is pop, fusion, some ambient creations, etc. It depends on what you want to do with them... if you're looking for a realistic lead guitar or B3 organ, you're probably better off with some other product, unless you can live within the limitations. If you need a punchy synth bass sound to layer with a real synth bass, or you need some sparkly pad with tinkle bells, or a "breathy chiffer flute" patch, then those dated synth sounds are not really that dated at all. 

Sometimes simple is better... the simple patches and sounds give you the opportunity to create your own layered thing, as mentioned by e.Blue.. as opposed to, say, Omnisphere... which is a great product, but you're not really going to be doing too much layering with an Omnisphere pad, for example… :)

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Re:Somebody has to ask it.. (Proteus expansion pack topic) 2012/05/23 14:31:56 (permalink)
Thank you for the responses.  Kind of what I thought.  Emu samplers have great filters, but without the filters, these are just samples and it sounds like the Kontakt version is better.  I decided to pass for now.
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Re:Somebody has to ask it.. (Proteus expansion pack topic) 2012/05/23 17:59:49 (permalink)
dubdisciple


I decided to pass for now.

Yes, I did the same.
I still should have my old proteus expanders somewhere in the house, and I recall them with affection, so I was tempted by the expansions offer. Also because in my software instrument arsenal, made of piano emulations, guitar, orchestral emulations, drum emulations, bass emulation, soft synths, I think one always  needs a "bread and butter" all'round rompler. Yet, I thought, Dim Pro itself is a better and more modern bread and butter..

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