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2017/11/27 22:49:04 (permalink)

Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything)

Apologies if already posted. There are some interesting tidbits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ISAK8R&sh=2dc889b3

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:02:32 (permalink)
Definitely puts a slightly different view on it all, and very open discussion. Thanks for sharing the link
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:04:51 (permalink)
Very interesting read for sure. So there you go, an inside look at the last few years. And nothing that suprised me at all. 

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:06:39 (permalink)
Wow, that shed a weird light on things. Not too surprising but oh well...

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:08:04 (permalink)
Yes, very interesting. Thanks for the link!
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:08:33 (permalink)
Sadly interesting.  Thanks for sharing Sharke.

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:09:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2017/11/28 00:38:32
Yeah it kind of made me a little uneasy to read about all the behind the scene tension and conflict but I guess it's nothing unusual in the corporate world. And I get the impression there were a lot of good intentions ruined by poor management. Having said that, important to remember that a) we only have this guy's word that he's from Cakewalk (although it would seem totally weird if he was making it all up) and b) it's just one employee's perspective.

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:20:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/11/28 05:31:49
Thumbnail summary: it was bad management. Who'd have guessed?


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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:23:08 (permalink)
Hard to say how much stock to place in this, although it has the ring authenticity to it. Having spent 25 years in the corporate world, the tableau this person describes - good work derailed by bad managers, sycophants doing well, great ideas killed by bad implementation, etc -- strikes me as familiar, believable and very common place. 

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:28:14 (permalink)
Here's another comment from the same guy on a different thread, when asked if he would go back in the event that Cakewalk was sold:

"Under the right owner, yes in a heartbeat. Roland, Gibson - neither really "got" Cakewalk, it's customers or software for that matter.

Gibson is under an enormous amount of debt and maybe that will encourage them to sell it but the truth is that Henry J doesn't give a ****. Not about musicians, not about guitars, not about loyal customers, not about his own employees. For all of Roland's quirks they wholly understood the value of what they had and they were truly passionate about music and their employees.

Fingers crossed that the decision makers in Nashville come to their senses and sell it before every user jumps ship. If recent history is any indicator of future behavior then it's dead Jim."

And he had this to say about the possibility of a Microsoft takeover:

"Microsoft would be an interesting fit.

* They already have an office nearby in Cambridge.
* We've worked closely with them for years, recently on the BT MIDI stuff and surface dial support. Noel has a history of nagging them for Audio fixes/improvements. WASAPI .....
* It would create a great opportunity to include SONAR Home Studio with every version of Windows."

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:28:51 (permalink)
I wish I had a door opener job to put on my resume.

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:40:00 (permalink)
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Here's another comment from the same guy on a different thread, when asked if he would go back in the event that Cakewalk was sold:

"Under the right owner, yes in a heartbeat. Roland, Gibson - neither really "got" Cakewalk, it's customers or software for that matter.

Gibson is under an enormous amount of debt and maybe that will encourage them to sell it but the truth is that Henry J doesn't give a ****. Not about musicians, not about guitars, not about loyal customers, not about his own employees. For all of Roland's quirks they wholly understood the value of what they had and they were truly passionate about music and their employees.

Fingers crossed that the decision makers in Nashville come to their senses and sell it before every user jumps ship. If recent history is any indicator of future behavior then it's dead Jim."

And he had this to say about the possibility of a Microsoft takeover:

"Microsoft would be an interesting fit.

* They already have an office nearby in Cambridge.
* We've worked closely with them for years, recently on the BT MIDI stuff and surface dial support. Noel has a history of nagging them for Audio fixes/improvements. WASAPI .....
* It would create a great opportunity to include SONAR Home Studio with every version of Windows."

All that is quite fascinating, appalling and not completely a surprise, although the comments about MS and Cakewalk are very interesting. I knew Cake and MS had done some stuff together, but I didn't realize there was a fairly solid relationship going back for years. I have to admit I considered the whole "Save us Microsoft, you're our only hope" thing to be an impossible longshot and very pie-in-the-sky (although I am quite sympathetic to the impulse), but maybe there is more to the idea than I thought. Was I being too cynical?... 

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:52:17 (permalink)
From my reading of it YES it seems to be bad management all over the place FROM BOTH COMPANIES - Gibson and Cakewalk.
 
TBH it seems this guy Henry didnt really give a crap and left Cakewalk to own devices. This guy Henry didnt give a crap period it would seem, didnt get nor know what he had bought previously .. 
 
Surely regardless of Cakewalks bad management the buck still stopped with the parent company Gibson for NOT managing the Cakewalk progress under Gibson properly, even if that were watching the business and the Cake management and intervening to sort out any management issues.
 
"There is no CEO of Cakewalk. The person overseeing Cakewalk also manages Gibson Pro Audio. She means well but doesn't know anything about software and placed her faith in the most ****est of employees. "
 
I mean for FK sake. This WAS on GIBSONS watch and there decision. Why buy a company and then put someone who doesnt know anything about software as the Cakewalk overseer .. Jezus!!
 
What really P**SES me off is our Software that we loved for so long - 30 years for some of us - has been cheaply run in to the ground like this .. shear carelessness & disregard BY MANAGEMENTs.  We should be very angry about this ...
 
 
 
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:53:12 (permalink)
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I wish I had a door opener job to put on my resume.




I would write more general for the resume.  Maybe 'executive button pusher'.  You know, just to get the interview ;)

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/27 23:53:36 (permalink)
Wasn't there a Flannigan dude in their somewhere?

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 00:04:03 (permalink)
Wow, most informative thing I've read about this whole mess. His explanation for lifetime updates plan seems to confirm what Anderton has said recently as well. Of course as noted it's one employee's take on it, but I think to anyone who's ever had a job at any level in any dysfunctional corporate environment, it's depressingly familiar. 

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 00:25:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/28 00:38:53
I think John should make the link a sticky.


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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 00:27:33 (permalink)
Uncomfortable read but not entirely surprising. You could see the staff turnover happening, which isn't a great sign. It's a real shame - the people doing the actual work were good people, really passionate about the program and users, but there's only so much you can do when the powers that be cut the heads off of any good initiatives.

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 00:36:18 (permalink)
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I wish I had a door opener job to put on my resume.


They might give you a sixfinger salary!

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 00:40:09 (permalink)
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I think John should make the link a sticky.


 
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 00:46:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/11/28 12:23:49
They might give you a sixfinger salary!
Me thinks we've all been given the one finger, guess which one...
 
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 01:07:35 (permalink)
Fascinating description of events. And a band that does play to the same beat is not really a band. Sad.
 

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 01:09:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aidanodr 2017/11/28 01:16:50
The saddest part seems to be, despite what we all thought, there was a solid plan for the free updates for life that could have worked really well, driving sales of cool add-on components. Also known as the Image Line model (they use with FL Studio) which is a great success. Only it got trashed by complete mismanagement. Imagine how great that would have been for the product and for us if it had have been managed properly and continued. I'm even more pi*sed off now I know what we could have had.
 
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 01:21:17 (permalink)
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The saddest part seems to be, despite what we all thought, there was a solid plan for the free updates for life that could have worked really well, driving sales of cool add-on components. Also known as the Image Line model (they use with FL Studio) which is a great success. Only it got trashed by complete mismanagement. Imagine how great that would have been for the product and for us if it had have been managed properly and continued. I'm even more pi*sed off now I know what we could have had.
 
We also found out why the email support vanished.




It really really is a sickener ... for something that could have been avoided.

And worse is the fact THAT IT WAS NOT THE PRODUCT that sunk Cakewalk. But now that product sits on a shelf gathering dust, in that there will be no further development & its userbase is left with what eventually will be a virtual paper weight. All totally unnecessary and a sad sad stupid demise for a great product
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 01:42:06 (permalink)
So glad to have decided to rejoin the Cakewalk family after some time off.  I had the Sequencer called Cakewalk way back, so I dove back in for Sonar PRO and lifetime updates this year.  So VERY glad.
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 02:07:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sharke 2017/11/28 02:11:18
All those on the forum proclaiming SONAR SHALL RIIIIISE FROM THE ASHES! should definitely not read this LOLZ
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 02:26:16 (permalink)
why didn't they charge for the new linear phase plugins and the adaptive limiter I'll never know

 
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 02:36:52 (permalink)
Shouldn't there be something indicating that this was moved from upstairs? 

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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 02:53:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mister happy 2017/11/28 03:29:59
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Shouldn't there be something indicating that this was moved from upstairs? 




 
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Re: Someone from Cakewalk is doing a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) 2017/11/28 03:14:04 (permalink)
Geeeez... what a read.  So disappointed.

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