rabeach
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 14:17:41
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Win 10 pro allows the creation of virtual machines that will run with any windows operating system you choose to install. Why is this not a solution assuming we can continue to register sonar.
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CakeAlexSHere
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 14:22:08
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rabeach
Win 10 pro allows the creation of virtual machines that will run with any windows operating system you choose to install. Why is this not a solution assuming we can continue to register sonar.
Virtual Machines require a major performance overhead, latency is a nightmare. Of course hardware will get faster as the decades roll on in future making this less of a problem, but not a good option right now.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 15:55:23
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☄ Helpfulby gothic.angel 2018/01/05 10:40:29
Your observation is extremely valid, as is your sage advice to get up to speed with Studio One (since many ProTools pro engineers/producers are doing this as well).
Given your amazing contributions in the past and continuing today, I don’t feel you should need to explain or defend yourself against “hater” comments.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 16:24:49
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 17:32:01
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Sijel
Your observation is extremely valid, as is your sage advice to get up to speed with Studio One (since many ProTools pro engineers/producers are doing this as well).
Given your amazing contributions in the past and continuing today, I don’t feel you should need to explain or defend yourself against “hater” comments.
Rock On, Craig 🤘🏻
Agreed; I've considered Craig's input here as a valuable resource. While I'm still using SONAR for daily client work, my nights are usually spent learning Studio One ( I really like the workflow). I will freely admit that my decision to use Studio One as my pivot away from SONAR was partially influenced by the fact that my "resource" (Craig) is also available once the full transition occurs. That kind of value to a community is anything but "silly".
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 17:39:45
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Fair enough, Craig is right because Craig. No surprises...
Moving on then..
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 18:45:45
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I've been around this forum for a long time, probably longer than most of you. I personally thank Craig for his continuing interest and contributions. I also have Studio One 3 Pro and had version 2 before that. I also have Reaper, Mixbus, and recently picked up Mixcraft Pro 8 which has some similar Sonar features. I will probably start learning S1 3 in earnest in the days ahead as well as migrating to it. I will still use Sonar since that is what I know best. I also downloaded the trial version of Digital Performer 9.5 and am checking that out, but I prefer the Studio One 3 interface better. I'm just trying to find the DAW that feels the most familiar to me. I secretly harbor the thought that Sonar might be picked up by some company who can take it forward into the future, but I'm not holding my breath!
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 20:16:41
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/01/04 20:47:09
Craig is right because of Craig? Hmmmm. That is a correct statement. Genius on second thought.
Craig has opinions, he takes a position, he validates to the best of his abilities, he communicates well, but more importantly, he reports on topics that the majority of the forum appreciate, may learn from - AND - continues to follow up when there is an importance to the subject. If he is wrong, he admits it. If he sees something of value from someone else, he reports his appreciation. He's a consummate, no BS teacher and author. Maybe because of his decades long involvement in recording\midi\engineering\publishing\invention and his trusted working relationship with the best of the best in his selected field(s), his perspective carry's a truth and is weighted in high regards with our community. In that simple way, I wholeheartedly agree- Craig is right because of Craig or said in another way, Craig is trusted because of the person he is. Right?
No surprises. That is an incorrect statement. But again, genius on further review..
Usually, when I open a forum post from Mr. Anderton, I am pleasantly surprised by a few things. How the content fits one of my needs. How well the content is described. How timely his information is. I disagree - Craig is full of surprises. Right?
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 20:50:26
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rabeach
Win 10 pro allows the creation of virtual machines that will run with any windows operating system you choose to install. Why is this not a solution assuming we can continue to register sonar.
Virtual machines are very cool and I use them for other purposes, but I don't think that they are capable of real-time audio. Dual booting instead with an OS that supports a direct interface to audio hardware and drivers is a must for real-time audio.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 20:57:45
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abacab
rabeach
Win 10 pro allows the creation of virtual machines that will run with any windows operating system you choose to install. Why is this not a solution assuming we can continue to register sonar.
Virtual machines are very cool and I use them for other purposes, but I don't think that they are capable of real-time audio. Dual booting instead with an OS that supports a direct interface to audio hardware and drivers is a must for real-time audio.
Have to agree on this point. From my experience, even VMware on a decent PC has a tough time processing direct input audio and video hardware.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 21:38:13
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MMontgomery
abacab
rabeach
Win 10 pro allows the creation of virtual machines that will run with any windows operating system you choose to install. Why is this not a solution assuming we can continue to register sonar.
Virtual machines are very cool and I use them for other purposes, but I don't think that they are capable of real-time audio. Dual booting instead with an OS that supports a direct interface to audio hardware and drivers is a must for real-time audio.
Have to agree on this point. From my experience, even VMware on a decent PC has a tough time processing direct input audio and video hardware.
Absolutely. VMs could be great if you would like to create home streaming server or movie watching systems (I use it in such way) but I am afraid no chance in near future to provide solid platform for DAW. But who knows what happens in few years. Maybe virtualization at 'BIOS' level with perfect device sharing.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 23:30:43
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Intel have a diagnostic program to check whether your PC is affected or not. Turns out ALL of my PC's have this vulnerability, including some over 10 years old. There's absolutely no evidence so far that anyone has actually started exploiting this issue yet though
I can't find this utility anywhere, the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool does not have this. Can you give a URL?
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/04 23:51:22
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☄ Helpfulby CakeAlexSHere 2018/01/05 01:01:08
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2018/01/07 06:45:08
I see no point in discrediting anyone (Craig in this case) in this forum; particularely someone who has over the years been a serious proponent and champion of Sonar to this community and to the world at large. He always has helpful tips, some of which are too detailed for me but thats what happens whem you become expert user at the level Craig id. Also, his columns represent Sonar extremely well in SOS and I have never seen him write anything initially negative nor condescending unless he is defending his right to his opinion and / or his extreme insight and knowledge of the software. I've recently seen more than a few people get on his case for reasons I have no clue about but they are uncalled for. If someone doesn't like something he (or anyone) posted than don't use the tidbit. If someone is factually incorrect in something, than correct it in a courteous manner. Simple as that. Anything else is **** and malicious and frankly makes that person who is on the offence look like an idiot. I hope CakeAlexS is not a former "baker" but if he is, he should take his feud offline because it degrades the reputation of sonar even more than it has already recently suffered due to this shutdown. Basically... if someone doesn't have anything good to say or contribute, STFU!
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/07 06:49:37
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stxx
I see no point in discrediting anyone (Craig in this case) in this forum; particularely someone who has over the years been a serious proponent and champion of Sonar to this community and to the world at large. He always has helpful tips, some of which are too detailed for me but thats what happens whem you become expert user at the level Craig id. Also, his columns represent Sonar extremely well in SOS and I have never seen him write anything initially negative nor condescending unless he is defending his right to his opinion and / or his extreme insight and knowledge of the software. I've recently seen more than a few people get on his case for reasons I have no clue about but they are uncalled for. If someone doesn't like something he (or anyone) posted than don't use the tidbit. If someone is factually incorrect in something, than correct it in a courteous manner. Simple as that. Anything else is **** and malicious and frankly makes that person who is on the offence look like an idiot. I hope CakeAlexS is not a former "baker" but if he is, he should take his feud offline because it degrades the reputation of sonar even more than it has already recently suffered due to this shutdown. Basically... if someone doesn't have anything good to say or contribute, STFU!
^ Another balanced arguement. CakeAlexS ahole because ahole. Anderton still great because Anderton. Sees no point in discrediting anybody but people should STFU and be courteous if they don't have anything good to say (apparently). Genius! Well played Sir you WIN the internet ;) What was this thread about again?
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/07 12:46:44
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regarding gigastudio, (responding to someone's post above--- but you know there is a player that will play all giga files right? It's called G-player. I still use it as there were some awesome samples that I still use. I replaced most with Omnisphere and Play Composers series but there were certain sounds that were/are top drawer.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/07 14:31:41
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Mr. Japan, had not heard of that before now! When I scored GigaStudio on a ‘blowout sale’ it seemed like within minutes the authorization servers were unplugged.
I guess I’ll have to pull the GigaStudio CDs out at some point soon. I’ve got a version of Chicken Systems Translator but never really quite was up for the challenge of learning exactly how to align that software with GS to then get it in the right place for use with Sonar. Now a decade (or more?) later I will based on your post ~ thanks!
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/07 22:59:16
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Mr. Japan, had not heard of that before now! When I scored GigaStudio on a ‘blowout sale’ it seemed like within minutes the authorization servers were unplugged.
I guess I’ll have to pull the GigaStudio CDs out at some point soon. I’ve got a version of Chicken Systems Translator but never really quite was up for the challenge of learning exactly how to align that software with GS to then get it in the right place for use with Sonar. Now a decade (or more?) later I will based on your post ~ thanks!
I will PM you when I get home tonight. There is no need to do all that you are saying to do. But yes, do dig out the gigasampler library with .gig extensions.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/07 23:28:31
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CakeAlexSHere
blah blah blah....
What was this thread about again?
Good lord who pooped in your Cheerios? You're the one who derailed this thread in the first place. 
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/07 23:31:45
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dcmg
CakeAlexSHere
blah blah blah....
What was this thread about again?
^ ^ Deliberately editing and changing a quote to bring it out of context. dcmg
Good lord who pooped in your Cheerios?
You're the one who derailed this thread in the first place.
Don't you just love popularism.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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CakeAlex, you are a legend around here, but not in the way you wish. You are well remembered as the tool who attempted to hijack this forum a few years ago, pretending many of us were unworthy of having a problem addressed or even participating in a discussion without your blessing. You continue to post here, trying to appear to be the smartest person in the room, while in the end you come off completely the opposite.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/08 02:30:16
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Craig has every right to have an opinion, but then so do I and others. Then again apparently not... and yes I did get shut down and here is another attempt.
I have pointed out that the comparisons Craig made were extremely misleading, there are some very clear quotes if you read his first 3 or 4 posts.. which of course no surprises has thrown me straight into the lion's den. I had hoped things may have changed but no.
I appreciate some of you all want to drag me into an old historical arguement, the temptation to say what actually happened is very strong to be honest, but then I realise it's not going to do any good really and whatever happens the fanbase simply won't allow another point of view without shouting people down. It's a religion.
I think this thread in it's entirety demonstrates why many people found Sonar unapproachable. Some people should bare some responsibility for that imho but that's another debate and ultimately it does not matter any more.
It's clear that there going to be no sensible discussion about how Sonar may stop running from a technical perspective, so that's all folks.
RIP.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/08 02:34:54
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"won't allow another point of view without shouting people down"
Just playing by the rules you established!
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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☄ Helpfulby CakeAlexSHere 2018/01/08 03:00:49
“Moving on then..”
“that's all folks”
Again, you have lied. A small piece of sanity inside you says you should quit spouting hateful rhetoric and move on while you still have a smidgen of dignity, but you just won't listen. Poor self control, like always.
And since you are apparently incapable of honest intelligent venomless conversation and it is futile to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man...many of us now have you set to “ignore”.
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☄ Helpfulby gothic.angel 2018/01/11 11:45:03
Craig, I don't think there is any particular reason why Sonar would suddenly stop working. As you say, there is ancient software that still works on Win 10. However, it is still a big risk without a backup simply because Sonar won't be getting any more development to fix any such issues if they arise.
I got Studio One and Samplitude in the deals, and against all expectations, I am loving Samplitude and now prefer it to Sonar. I am still having to use Sonar for some things, but to be honest, I hadn't realized what I was missing out on elsewhere. Sonar is unstable in comparison - the audio engine now keeps stopping for no reason on a couple of legacy projects. Beyond legacy use and porting old and current projects to Samplitude, I don't really see any reason to continue with Sonar. It can't do anything that Samplitude can't do and in fact, Samplitude can do a whole lot more. Sonar is a bit like a sick fish floating on its side in an aquarium at the moment and it doesn't look like it's going to recover. The kindest thing to do really is flush it down the toilet :)
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
2018/01/08 17:36:30
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Beyond legacy use and porting old and current projects to Samplitude, I don't really see any reason to continue with Sonar. It can't do anything that Samplitude can't do and in fact, Samplitude can do a whole lot more.
I understand your sentiment, but as one example, I still can't make an acidized loop library with anything but Sonar or Acid Pro 7 (which has been on version 7 since the Visigoths attacked Rome). Also without Matrix view, I need to ReWire Live into a host. I think Samplitude has always been underrated, but last time I checked it doesn't have DSD import/export, and while Mix Recall isn't crucial, it saves me a lot of time. I also don't think Samplitude has a step sequencer or FX Chains with the same kind of customization as SONAR (although Studio One's FX Chains definitely improve on SONAR's). As I've said before, not only do DAWs have a lot in common, but they also have their own deal makers/deal breakers. There are many areas where SONAR is deficient, but it also has some unique features that I would hate to lose over time.
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Re: Something I Hadn't Considered About SONAR's Future
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☄ Helpfulby CakeAlexSHere 2018/01/09 03:56:13
CakeAlexSHere
CakeAlexS ahole because ahole.
What was this thread about again?
Which sums you up completely. You are the reason I ditched the forum, for some time, years ago. As I stated to you all that time ago, you are not, and never have been, an expert, employee, even a good Samaritan, of Cakewalk. You crowned yourself king cake alex. No one else. CakeAlexSHere
It's clear that there going to be no sensible discussion about how Sonar may stop running from a technical perspective, so that's all folks.
RIP.
If I had a dollar for every time you said something similar to this, I could buy SONAR myself. Far better people than you have already contributed enough information from a 'technical perspective' to arm us accordingly. So do as you have said many, many times, and leave. The door is wide open mate..
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