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2017/04/01 17:39:27 (permalink)

Something new in the Bakery

I noticed a couple of the feature requests in the Bakery were locked. If you look at them you'll see this message:
 
This thread has been closed for the following reason:
Implemented: This brilliant idea is fully baked by our developers and is ready for public consumption!
 
I think this is great. What I can't figure out is why. The ideas implemented had zero votes, very few views and had only been on the list for a short time. Other ideas on the list have been there for years and have up to 100 votes. It would appear that there's no relationship between user feedback and what Cake decides to implement. I'm confused.

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 17:53:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:26:36
Software development seems to be a very non-linear process. It's entirely possible this was something the Bakers had planned to do anyway. Or maybe it was just very easy to do as part of doing something else.
 
My sense is that all user requests (as well as requests internal to Cakewalk), big and small, go into a huge pool. Then they're addressed in a way that makes the most sense from a time, resources, and stability standpoint. At least that's the way it's worked with every software company to whom I've consulted, so I doubt Cakewalk works any differently.

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 18:03:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:26:49
Links?
 
Cant find em.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 18:45:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 11:00:21
When I go to the Bakery tab sorted descending by votes https://bakery.cakewalk.com/Ideas/Popular, I can scroll down and soon find threads with "[Implemented]" inserted into the title - for example:
https://bakery.cakewalk.com/Idea/12465/Implemented-Realtime-internal-recording
https://bakery.cakewalk.com/Idea/12721/Implemented-Command-Center-to-install-to-my-specified-path
https://bakery.cakewalk.com/Idea/12806/Implemented-Insert-audio-FX-into-Insert-Bin-utilizing-Quick-Groups
 I'm not seeing a "locked" indication, (so link to examples might be informative), but it is nice to see evidence of things getting implemented over time.

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 18:46:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:26:59
There are loads of links claiming to explain how the Bakery works.
None explain how it actually works.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 19:04:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:27:20
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https://bakery.cakewalk.com/Idea/12465/Implemented-Realtime-internal-recording


a quick scan of this one indicates that it's a collection of ad-hoc forum posts generally supporting the feature request ("idea"), let's say "fished from the pool", rather than a forum-type discussion "thread" as might traditionally be understood
 

just a sec

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 19:43:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:27:29
The lock symbol is shown on the page titled Latest Ideas. Sharke got one of his ideas implemented. Yea Sharke!

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/01 22:57:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:27:37
It's the "low hanging fruit" principle.
 
The fruit that is easily within reach is the first eaten. 

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/04/02 03:33:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:28:22
Perhaps we are falling prey to logical falacy. 'Post hoc ergo procptor hoc' - after therefore because of. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
 
I just wish I had requested an add track button:) Maybe if I request it now it can be locked for posterity. Better still, can I trade it for a collapse/expand all folders button? ☺
 
Whoever is deciding new features, Sonar seems to me to be in pretty good shape.
 

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/27 08:55:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:28:23
I was about to post a post like this till I found this one. Same sentiments. 9 months on an idea and only 15 views.
 
I went there to post a request idea and see that very few users are going there anymore. There's no really obvious link to it anywhere and it's difficult to use and navigate which probably keeps most users away, if they even know about it at all.
 
One problem is the tags. They want you to use them but give you no list of what they are. You have to start typing and hope the word you want to use is there. I'd think each view would have it's own tag but they don't. There's nothing for the Piano Roll View.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/27 15:46:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:28:25
A lot of software companies use an "agile" / SCRUM system to manage the development process. In short, this means developers and clients have regular short meetings to discuss what's going on, what the client wants, what needs doing next, who's having problems etc. Jobs are split into small bite size chunks that can be realistically completed in a particular sub-timeframe. This is the most efficient way of running a client/team based development. In this case, Cakewalk and its customers are the client. The client puts forward lots of feature requests and bug reports constantly. Through a series of ongoing SCRUM meetings, the development team will work out the order of priority and efficiency for the next stage of development. To us mear mortals, it will seem like they are just picking low hanging fruit or doing things completely randomly, however, what they are doing is keeping a maintainable and efficient flow of development going and it's also probably how they are able to give us these rolling updates - it's all thanks to a modern, agile development process. I'm personally very grateful for that - even though there are bugs I want fixed now and features I want implemented now, Sonar continues getting better and better every month.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/27 17:34:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:28:37
I can't add tags nor up vote in the bakery. I've mentioned it a few times here and there. Anyone else with the same issues?
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/27 17:41:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:26:24
To perform any function other than posting requires the appropriate signal level. For info see http://bakery.cakewalk.com/How-It-Works. It does appear that many who post on this forum do not post in the Bakery. I have not seen the Bakery change based on posts here but I have seen changes based on posts in the Bakery discussion section.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/27 21:20:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 11:00:11
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To perform any function other than posting requires the appropriate signal level. For info see http://bakery.cakewalk.com/How-It-Works. It does appear that many who post on this forum do not post in the Bakery. I have not seen the Bakery change based on posts here but I have seen changes based on posts in the Bakery discussion section.


Thanks scook but I've read through the How it Works before, and it seems to me like this is in reference to having my own ideas upvoted.

Unless I am missing something, I don't see why I cannot upvote other people's ideas. Nor be able to tag my own ideas. Do I need "signal strength" to do those two activities? That would be silly...
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/28 04:47:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 11:00:05
Seems the Bakery is an idea that never flew. I don't think any of the regulars to this forum have paid it much attention. I did try myself but found the format sucked. I much prefer what we already have here. My guess is the Bakery will die because of lack of buns. 

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/28 07:01:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:59:57
Yes... I hope they abandon this idea.

I've tried to use it a couple of times and found it difficult at best.

I believe it turns off most people attempting to use it. If this is the goal, it's working...

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/28 17:45:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/05/28 18:03:36
THe last time I visited the bakery I put in a suggestion to kill the bakery. Vote now, vote often. 

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/28 21:50:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:59:53
Does it include an alternative? If not, you'd be killing the entire FR process,, in which case I'd have to submit a suggestion to kill your suggestion.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/29 00:58:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:59:44
As a matter of fact my suggestion included reinstating the old feature request system. The bakery could be a one page summary of where the feature requests stand. If you look at the requests listed there, I think you will be hard pressed to find a correlation between what's listed and what gets implemented.

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/29 09:26:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:59:42
I keep forgetting that the Bakery exist, until I see a thread mentioning it..
I never "got the hang" of using it. Don't like the format.
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/29 09:41:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby shawn@trustmedia.tv 2017/05/29 10:59:36
Yeah, I'm with Ken on this - I've even got it bookmarked right next to the link to this forum but I keep forgetting to go there, and when I have done, it just felt kind of awkward.
 
I dig the idea of it though, and it's probably the most efficient way of getting stuff done, but it just doesn't gel with me for some reason.

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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/29 10:10:36 (permalink)
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/29 16:22:13 (permalink)
Here ya go!  Ripple editing is here finally!!! 
 
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Re: Something new in the Bakery 2017/05/29 16:29:23 (permalink)
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