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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/18 16:59:03
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Thanks. I often like to ge ta little work done on my laptop with headphones and needless to say if anything can get me closer to something usable when i go to monitors is worth examining.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/18 18:05:45
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Rain http://logic-pro-expert.com/logic-pro-blog/2015/01/18/calibrate-headphones-with-sonarworks-reference-plugin.html A news item which caught my eyes, just thought I'd share it with you guys. I haven't investigated any further yet, but I thought this was potentially interesting.
According to their WEB site: "A full frequency sweep along the audible range produces a frequency response data. We employ a unique patent pending measurement technology that delivers data in a way that illustrates how a set of headphones will be heard by real people." Huh? What means this? How about "unreal" people? I could understand if they just provide a compensating data to correct certain models, but it sounds like they somehow can calibrate your headphones. How can they do this without some sort of calibrated transducer to measure the output. But what do I know, I'm just a simple accordion player, oh and a simple electronics design engineer... BTW I may be a great product, it's just the write up that is confusing, or maybe it's me. I wish they had a tool like this to make my 70+ year old hearing response flat! Walt
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/18 19:37:26
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You have to send in your headphones for them to analyze them or you buy one of their already-analyzed headphones. They most-likely use a "dummy head" microphone to analyze the headphones. Nonetheless, looks like a good idea. Maybe eventually they will have a database of generic curves that match popular headphones. You select what model headphone you have and the plug-in supplies the compensation EQ. http://sonarworks.com/headphones/use/ "Buy a pair of Sonarworks calibrated headphones with individual calibration or use an average calibration curve for your headphone model. To achieve the most accurate calibration, send in your headphones and we will get them back to you with a special custom curve."
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/19 08:37:10
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Thanks for posting this, Rain. It would be great if it does what it says it can do. I've tried plugs in the past that were supposed to do this, but none delivered satisfactory results.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/19 11:34:36
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I have the Senn HD600s that I use for verification (not on the DAW). I use my ATH-M50 at the DAW for quiet mixing (The Lovely Lady's office is right next to the studio). However, I have Ultimate Ears Reference Monitors for my "flat response" test. If I did not have those I'd be very interested in the further development of this type of software tool.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/19 11:45:11
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Walt, you're right to be skeptical. The product seems to be nothing more than an equalizer with a set of presets for different headphones. If you have any of the more popular headphone models, you can create your own preset for free by referencing published frequency-response charts. I did this long ago for my ATH-M50s, but I haven't used the correction preset for years because in truth headphone "calibration" isn't even necessary. Instead, calibrate your brain. That's not as hard as it sounds - all you have to do is spend enough time listening to well-made records on your headphones and your own brain will do the rest.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/19 13:01:02
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mikedocy You have to send in your headphones for them to analyze them or you buy one of their already-analyzed headphones. They most-likely use a "dummy head" microphone to analyze the headphones. Nonetheless, looks like a good idea. Maybe eventually they will have a database of generic curves that match popular headphones. You select what model headphone you have and the plug-in supplies the compensation EQ. http://sonarworks.com/headphones/use/ "Buy a pair of Sonarworks calibrated headphones with individual calibration or use an average calibration curve for your headphone model. To achieve the most accurate calibration, send in your headphones and we will get them back to you with a special custom curve."
Thanks for the info! Wal
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/19 13:10:55
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bitflipper ... Instead, calibrate your brain. That's not as hard as it sounds - all you have to do is spend enough time listening to well-made records on your headphones and your own brain will do the rest.
At 70, my hearing response is centered around 1KHz and drops either side at 90dB/Octave! (Okay not that bad...) When I master I have a template with songs I'm working on, plus some reference songs for a comparison. Fortunately, the people who hear my albums are pretty much in the same age bracket, +/- 20 years so their hearing has probably taken an age hit too. (although playing 3 to 4 times a weekend for 40 years hasn't helping my hearing any...) Walt
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/19 20:50:49
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I would love to mix on monitors, I've always mixed in the cans, sometimes good ones? (mixes)
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/20 10:37:10
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Wally, I can relate. Although I'm a mere child of 63, there's no doubt that my ears' frequency response has been damaged by a half-century of live playing. I know it's the result of gigging because for most of that time I stood stage left (nowadays I sit stage left) and today my left ear is more reliable than my right (e.g. I hold the telephone to my left ear). For me, the greatest danger in terms of mixing and mastering is over-representation of the frequencies I don't hear well (12 KHz and up). I hear this problem in mixes made by younger ears, too, though it's caused not by hearing loss but by mastering in headphones. Headphones kind of mimic age-related hearing loss, but it's even worse since age-related loss tends to be a smooth rolloff and headphones get uneven and weird at the high end. It would seem to make sense, then, to compensate headphones so they're flatter. However, the brain is a wonderfully adaptive organ. Over time, it will program itself to recognize what a good recording sounds like over any playback system, including headphones. Given enough repetition, your brain will eventually be able to tell you when your recording sounds right, even when the transducers aren't being honest. As long as you can visually ascertain that you're not too hot at the very top of the spectrum, you'll be OK. A spectrum analyzer is therefore non-optional gear for the over-50s. Actually, it's recommended for the over-40s, too, because audio engineers lose their hearing faster than the general population. At least, that used to be the case. A recent study showed a frightening percentage of teenagers have the hearing acuity of a 50-year-old, the result of constant use of earbuds at high volume. When that generation is our age, they'll be functionally deaf. Mass deafness is predicted to become a major public health issue in 30 years' time. So for the young guys reading this: your ears are your most precious resource; protect them now!
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/20 12:28:44
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bitflipper ...As long as you can visually ascertain that you're not too hot at the very top of the spectrum, you'll be OK. A spectrum analyzer is therefore non-optional gear for the over-50s...
I've been collaborating with my oldest son (in his 40s) on several songs. (he recently moved to Japan) He plays Trumpet, Sax, Clarinet, Synth, and Drums. I send him what I consider the final mix and he comes back and says the ride cymbals are too hot, and I say "what cymbals?". He my ears for the upper range. Being young if for wimps! Walt
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/20 13:59:28
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For those of you lucky enough to be attending Winter NAMM this year: free hearing tests have been available there in the past, and hopefully are again this year. Do that first, before your ears have been assaulted by the cacaphony of NAMM all day. It's an eye-opener!
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/21 11:27:38
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There are also cheap loudness meter apps for smartphones and whatnot. Some are not terribly accurate, but newer iPhones can get decent results: http://www.safetynewsaler...ate-noise-measurement/ Even if you already have a proper meter, do you carry it with you everywhere? I got the cheapest one of the four recommended in the link above ($1), and it allows you to see OSHA style statistics and also measure over time (hint: put it in another room while it's running and see how the noise you're making affects others in your abode). https://itunes.apple.com/...oisee/id549239949?mt=8
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/21 11:47:55
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drewfx1 There are also cheap loudness meter apps for smartphones and whatnot. Some are not terribly accurate, but newer iPhones can get decent results: http://www.safetynewsaler...ate-noise-measurement/ Even if you already have a proper meter, do you carry it with you everywhere? I got the cheapest one of the four recommended in the link above ($1), and it allows you to see OSHA style statistics and also measure over time (hint: put it in another room while it's running and see how the noise you're making affects others in your abode). https://itunes.apple.com/...oisee/id549239949?mt=8
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/01/21 11:54:28
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bapu iAndroid iLoser
:) I'm guessing if you already have a proper meter you could run some test tones and see where things stand. Something else to note - I don't know about Android, but older versions of iOS filtered out low frequencies from the built in mics pretty aggressively (which makes sense for a phone). At some point they allowed apps to bypass this.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/25 08:27:39
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Most of our software has been developed based on feedback from forum users, so I thought it’s only fair if we try to give something back! Here’s a 20% discount for all Cakewalk forum members. Enter CakeW-20 on checkout at our store and you will get a 20% price reduction for all products except headphones and the trial pack (which is already super cheap!). Just don’t wait too long - the offer will end on August 31st!
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/25 08:44:58
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Hrodulf Most of our software has been developed based on feedback from forum users, so I thought it’s only fair if we try to give something back! Here’s a 20% discount for all Cakewalk forum members. Enter CakeW-20 on checkout at our store and you will get a 20% price reduction for all products except headphones and the trial pack (which is already super cheap!). Just don’t wait too long - the offer will end on August 31st!
Link to your site? (you may have to type it in manually.....you need 20 or 25 posts to post an actually link)
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/25 10:03:50
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Just type Sonarworks dot com. Or google it, we have plenty of good reviews floating around!
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/25 10:20:55
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Hrodulf Just type Sonarworks dot com. Or google it, we have plenty of good reviews floating around!
Ahh thanks.....(from the previous post, I couldn't tell you were from Sonarworks). Also, thanks for the discount code.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/25 10:28:22
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Hrodulf Most of our software has been developed based on feedback from forum users, so I thought it’s only fair if we try to give something back! Here’s a 20% discount for all Cakewalk forum members. Enter CakeW-20 on checkout at our store and you will get a 20% price reduction for all products except headphones and the trial pack (which is already super cheap!). Just don’t wait too long - the offer will end on August 31st!
I bought the software this morning before reading this. I had been waiting for a sale and thought there wouldn't be one. Will you guys honor the discount for me? The purchase was made at 6:03am Central this morning. thank you!
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/25 13:02:32
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I sent in a support request in hopes they'll calibrate the Ultrasone Pro 750's.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/08/25 16:06:08
Just wanted to say that Sonarworks credited me the difference for the sale. Classy people with an awesome product! :)
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/08/26 09:54:24
I purchased this software several months ago when the KRK model became available and my mixes have never sounded better. They translate much better across systems now. I personally think it works as advertised. Great product and great company to work with. Very responsive to customer requests and needs.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/26 06:17:39
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Just looked at the speaker calibration software. Looks good but can't afford it. Will wait for sale.
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Re: Something to help calibrate your headphones...
2015/08/26 06:56:43
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Doktor Avalanche Just looked at the speaker calibration software. Looks good but can't afford it. Will wait for sale.
Use the CakeW-20 code and you'll get -20% off from our software. It won't get any sale-ier any time soon!
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