KenB123
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Something to think about (unfortunately)..
There is an interesting thread that is getting a lot of attention about the cost of brand name guitars. There was one comment made in it about one's passing away and the wife and kids deciding to sell everything. Myself, I have created a listing of my guitars and other musical items that I feel have value, and included an approximated dollar value for each to use as a guideline. Granted, these are just estimations and the market at the time would reflect the actually or not. The real point here is that my wife knows nothing about the value of some of my gear. I expressed to her that I did not want her selling this stuff at garage sale prices. Yes, she would be making some musician especially happy walking away with a Fender Strat for $50.00. But I don't want that to happen. She could use the money and is justified in receiving it. My instructions also included working with a relative who does know musical gear values and he could get a commission or something. Just thought I would mention this. Granted, this it is not something we want to think about, but I would hate the thought of your family giving away potential 'gold'. ...Ken
post edited by KenB123 - 2013/08/02 09:47:40
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:14:19
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:22:29
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You can't sell stuff without a buyer. The buyer usually tells you how much it is worth to them. I think it is a waste of time making extensive preparations to prove something has value, although I think a simple note with a ball park guess would be a kind gesture. If you think it's worth more than what it's worth... sell the darn thing now and avoid belaboring your survivors with the responsibility to get top dollar. best regards, mike
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:32:48
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Take them with you... It worked for the pharoes!
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:42:00
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I think the point was more about not letting something that's worth a couple grand go for a few hundred. It can be very difficult to tell for even people somewhat familiar with guitars. For example... an old 70s special edition strat in mint condition gets mistaken for a more recent standard model. That can be a serious price difference. Also certain instruments can occasionally become valuable in a given year for whatever fickle reasons. Knowledge is power and the family member can make an informed decision as to whether they want to unload it quickly for a reduced price or don't mind hanging on to it for a while waiting for the right buyer. Lots of unscrupulous dudes out there who would take advantage of guitarist's widow and I would certainly not want one of those jerks getting away with it... especially if she needed the money. Just sayin'.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:43:19
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And let's not forget we don't always get any warning as to when we are going to depart this rock. Best to have affairs in order to be safe.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:51:11
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I thought about having an affair once, but I thought it safer not to..
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 10:53:21
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Yeah, my wife would kill me and sell all the guitars. :-)
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 11:02:12
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☄ Helpfulby Karyn 2013/08/02 11:06:55
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 11:13:40
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My two best buds are both fab guitarists and collectors and we've agreed to "curate" whoever goes first's (and second) collection for their families. Plus they've both got sons who are players and enthusiasts who already know as much or more as we do. And I have mine insured so there's always a current detailed list of valuations.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 11:20:33
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In a perfect world our children would all be musicians and we could bequeth our gear to them. Not sure where my DNA went wrong but that situation doesn't exist for me...not even cowbell soloist among them :( I'm bequething all my vintage gear to the College of Music at the local University. Regards,
Mike Win8(64), Sonar X3e(64) w/ RME Fireface UFX.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 11:56:52
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Simples (for me) My son gets it all and she knows it.
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KenB123
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 11:58:25
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mike_mccue You can't sell stuff without a buyer. The buyer usually tells you how much it is worth to them. I think it is a waste of time making extensive preparations to prove something has value, although I think a simple note with a ball park guess would be a kind gesture. If you think it's worth more than what it's worth... sell the darn thing now and avoid belaboring your survivors with the responsibility to get top dollar. best regards, mike
Sure, the buyer is going to tell my wife that the Strat is worth a lot more than the $50.00 she tags it for, since to her it might just be a nice looking guitar. Sorry, I cannot trust human nature to do the right thing when a deal of the lifetime is staring you in the face. Facts are, we as family members may not always be aware of the value of family member's property. And it does not require extensive preparations. It is a simple accounting of the equipment. Year, brand, model number, Serial #, etc., as a basis to not just give the stuff away. And no, I am not going to sell the guitar now to get what I thinks it worth. Man, where are you coming from?
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 12:28:34
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OK OK OK. I see what you are saying. I'm going to get an appraisal on the Weber grill, the TaylorMades, and my DVD collection while I am at it. Thanks.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 12:38:51
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 12:39:16
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I just wanted to point out that these things do happen. This was some years back (in the 1980s). A friend of mine (a drummer) picked up two AKG-414 microphones at a garage sale. (I am going by memory here and am sure of the brand AKG, and pretty sure they were 414s). He got them each for $50.00. He himself did not know what he was actually buying. He just figured they looked like good mics and the price was acceptable to him. So he wasn't trying to take advantage of anyone. The sellers were the parents selling off their deceased son's stuff. Apparently they just wanted to move on with their lives after a tragedy.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 12:48:34
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That's how it seems to work. I think moving on is a good priority. best regards, mike
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 12:57:32
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When I was selling my drums (nice mint vintage shells worth a lot of money to the right buyer) I had some guy call me and come by to look at them. He spent an hour puffing himself up trying to make me feel like some naive kid. He tried to talk down the value of the kit by pointing out irrelevant "flaws" and other inanities, screwed around with the set up and even started trying to tune them (I had tuned them according to a specific standard and had to tell him to stop). After I while I think he realized I wasn't a sucker but still dropped the old "weeeelll... I'd make you an offer but you'd probably be insulted". I was curious anyway and asked him what his offer was... and it was indeed extremely insulting. Like 10% of the asking price. If it had been a relative or a friend dealing with this transaction he would have likely fooled them with his little performance and lost out on a LOT of money. Vultures. I eventually got my asking price and the kid that bought it was ECSTATIC. Last I heard he was making tons of music on it and considered it his prize possession. Could not have worked out better.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:01:01
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I avoid thinking about this too much. The reality is it's the 21st century and if you care about getting return you look at how much similar stuff sold for recently on ebay. But the difficulty for me is, "what about the parts guitars and instruments I modded?". Do I have to explain that a parts guitar is likely worth more if disassembled, and then explain how to disassemble and describe things? Do I have to find the original PU's that were in something and clearly identify them to be included with the guitar they came from, so that someone who knows very little if anything about such things can understand what I'm talking about? Seems like it may be increasing the burden more than the money is worth. YMMV.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:06:43
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I know for a fact that if I kicked it today and my next of kin got ripped off selling my stuff that would upset them more than having to put a little thought into getting the right price. I have all my receipts in an envelope that will give them a good indication of what's what. And as I said I would not want some unscrupulous vulture benefiting from my untimely demise at the expense of my family or friends. What I'll probably do though is let one of my more deserving friends get their hands on it. They'd be specifically told to use it to make as much music as possible... and they would.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:17:31
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drewfx1 I avoid thinking about this too much. The reality is it's the 21st century and if you care about getting return you look at how much similar stuff sold for recently on ebay. But the difficulty for me is, "what about the parts guitars and instruments I modded?". Do I have to explain that a parts guitar is likely worth more if disassembled, and then explain how to disassemble and describe things? Do I have to find the original PU's that were in something and clearly identify them to be included with the guitar they came from, so that someone who knows very little if anything about such things can understand what I'm talking about? Seems like it may be increasing the burden more than the money is worth. YMMV.
There are two particular mid 60's guitars on ebay right now that I had a small interest in that have clearly just been parted out by their owners. You can see an unusual body and slowly realize all of it's unusual parts are also for sale. My first thought; "what an easy way to hide a twisted neck... yank all the parts out and sell it pieces parts". The person who gets the body/neck will spend a year or more getting all the parts together before it's strung up and the issue becomes apparent. I suspect the seller is just trying to get what he thinks the stuff is worth. best regards, mike
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:22:01
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☄ Helpfulby mike_mccue 2013/08/02 13:25:07
McQ, Have you priced the grill yet? I crave a new, erm replacement, Weber. Forget the DVDs, they'll bring back to many memories of missed movie nights (and kettle korn popcorn).
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:24:55
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"I would not want some unscrupulous vulture benefiting" May I remind you that you actually invited an unscrupulous vulture into your nest. Why not give the gift that lasts? Teach your heirs to have more common sense than that. best regards, mike
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:44:46
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mike_mccue "I would not want some unscrupulous vulture benefiting" May I remind you that you actually invited an unscrupulous vulture into your nest. Why not give the gift that lasts? Teach your heirs to have more common sense than that. best regards, mike
And how else was he supposed to inspect the merchandise? I wasn't selling a phone or a camera. This was an enormous drum kit. Besides, I had my buddy there and there were always plenty of blunt instruments strategically placed in that household. There was no chance said vulture would have been a threat. If he was planning something above and beyond lowballing me I'm pretty sure those plans flew out the window as soon as he got a good look at me and my friend. But for the sake of not causing a kerfuffle I will defer to your eternal wisdom. I'll be sure to leave instructions that all my stuff be given to the first person that can offer a half eaten ham sandwich and some lint covered gummi bears. Thanks, Mike!
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:47:36
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Beepster I know for a fact that if I kicked it today and my next of kin got ripped off selling my stuff that would upset them more than having to put a little thought into getting the right price. I suspect you might have a bit less gear than I do. In my case, I've accumulated stuff over the decades and it's not just a little thought on my part but rather it would be pages and pages of (necessarily) very specific instructions on what's what, what's been swapped out, what goes with what. It's not just a matter of, "these might be worth this much". And having all the receipts doesn't matter as value doesn't always correspond to what I paid for it either - a 15 year old digital synth or digital FX box may be worth a tiny fraction of what I paid for it while a 30 year old analog delay may be worth more quite a bit more than I paid for it.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:50:44
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Thanks, Mike!
That's "Boss" to you mister. ;-) all the best, mike
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:58:04
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drewfx1
Beepster I know for a fact that if I kicked it today and my next of kin got ripped off selling my stuff that would upset them more than having to put a little thought into getting the right price.
I suspect you might have a bit less gear than I do. In my case, I've accumulated stuff over the decades and it's not just a little thought on my part but rather it would be pages and pages of (necessarily) very specific instructions on what's what, what's been swapped out, what goes with what. It's not just a matter of, "these might be worth this much". And having all the receipts doesn't matter as value doesn't always correspond to what I paid for it either - a 15 year old digital synth or digital FX box may be worth a tiny fraction of what I paid for it while a 30 year old analog delay may be worth more quite a bit more than I paid for it.
You are right and I agree completely. If I were in your situation I would still likely have an elaborate list and instructions to approach a trusted local music shop or someone to take a look. Really I would let said family member decide what they wanted to do. If they just wanted to unload it quickly, cool. But with a list and the right knowledge about what was there they could make an informed decision as opposed to guessing and finding out after the fact they could have gotten a lot more. Another alternative that I guess we've overlooked is estate auctioneers. A good one should be able to figure out what's what and get rid of it relatively quickly. They'd still get kind of hosed but not nearly as bad as garage sale shenanigans.
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 13:59:25
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Thanks, Mike!
That's "Boss" to you mister. ;-) all the best, mike
I'm on to you, McQ. ;-p
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 14:07:09
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Wow, Ken's got a wife and valuable guitars? I'm impressed!
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Something to think about (unfortunately)..
2013/08/02 14:26:42
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craigb Wow, Ken's got a wife and valuable guitars? I'm impressed!
Some people represent themselves on the internest dubiously. Just sayin'.
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