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Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
Sometimes, just totally intermittently, in Sonar X3d when I right click on a note instead of bringing up Note Properties it selects the note and then gives me a right click menu like as if I right clicked somewhere in the white space, which I absolutely didn't do.
After a bunch of messing around, trying a bunch of times, closing the staff view, reopening, two or three times, eventually I can right click the note to bring up Note Properties.
Is this just some kind of bug or is there something I'm not understanding? I think it happens mostly on longer notes, like ones that are held for at least a whole note.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 12:10:52
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Right-click with the Smart tool has been Delete since X1. Double-click (left button) should open properties. Right-click with other tools seems to reliably bring up properties for me, but if you're going in to note properties that much, there's probably a better way to edit whatever parameter it is the you want to change.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 13:07:17
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I wonder if my settings from 8.5 carried over then becuase right click with the smart tool definitely doesn't delete notes... And honestly most of the time it does open up Note Properties, just not always... It's so weird... And I think the majority of the time I'm on the smart tool, and sometimes on the select tool. Either way it seems to have the same randomness of whether it will open note properties or not...
BUT I'm curious... Lets say I wanted to change duration of a single note, which like 90% of the time is what I'm going in there for, and the other 10% of the time is usually to check/change the time, pitch or velocity of that one note... But to change duration, is there a better way off the top of your head? I've been doing it this way for as long as I can remember, Maybe even before Sonar when it was just Cakewalk Pro Audio.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 13:53:36
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I'm not 100% sure about this, but, see if it makes any difference exactly where on the note it is that you right-click; towards the top or bottom half (assuming you're zoomed in enough).
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 15:02:50
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But to change duration, is there a better way off the top of your head?
Absolutely! Just drag the right end of the note with or without snap enabled, depending on what you want to accomplish. If you really need to enter a epcific value, you can di that in the Event Inspector module in the Control Bar after selecting the note.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 15:03:24
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No I tried that, I even tried zooming as far in as it would let me (not very practical of course) and right clicking all over the damn note haha. When it works it works, when it doesn't, it just doesn't.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 15:04:59
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But to change duration, is there a better way off the top of your head?
Absolutely! Just drag the right end of the note with or without snap enabled, depending on what you want to accomplish. If you really need to enter a epcific value, you can di that in the Event Inspector module in the Control Bar after selecting the note.
Interesting... I'll give that a try when I get home... So I assume that would drag it between 1/16th, 1/8th, 1/4, 1/2 and whole note length? That would rule...
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 15:26:31
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It will drag to an tick value if snap is off, and to (or by) whatever resolution is specified in the global snap setting in the Control Bar or the PRV-specific snap setting if it's enabled (see the grid button at the upper right corner of the PRV).
Sounds like you might benefit from opening up the PDF Ref. Guide, and have a browse through the introductory part on basic functionality of the various views.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 15:46:51
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Yea probably not a bad idea haha. I basically have had the same workflow for the last decade plus. Every new version I maybe pick up one new thing... Maybe it's time to learn a thing or two ;-)
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 19:36:24
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So I just got home and tried it and all it seems to be doing is dragging the note around. Again I'm in staff view and working with one note at a time... I'm using the Smart Tool. Is there something else I might be doing wrong? Dragging the note from any portion of the note just drags the note. Doesn't lengthen it.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 20:12:48
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Well, brundefly is talking about PRV and you're talking about Staff View :-) I actually have the same issue and reported it to CW, but the ticket was closed as unreproducible (CWBRN-23709). Below are the steps I submitted: 1. Create a new project using the Normal project template. 2. Insert a MIDI track and hit Alt+3 to open the Piano Roll view. 3. Using whatever method you like (I used the Smart tool), enter/record note events on C5 and D5, like this:  4. Hit Alt+6 to open the Staff view. 5. Select the Smart tool in the Control Bar and right-click each note to open the Note Properties dialog box. [Expected Results] All notes open the Note Properties dialog box when right-clicked. [Actual Results] All C5 notes show a right-click menu when right-clicked, like this: 
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 21:31:16
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OH that would make total sense that you can drag them bigger/smaller in PRV haha. Yea I should have guessed that.
And yep you've got my same issue. It's totally intermittent for me though. Usually if I just close the Staff view, go play around on the internet for a few minutes and come back it'll start working haha. But it's really annoying. Maybe i'll open a ticket too...
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/21 23:38:16
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D'oh! Should have guessed I needed to re-read the OP.  Sorry about that. It's so unusual for people to be working in SONAR's despised staff view. Funny, though, because I just spent a bunch of time last week working on converting some MIDI to notation - unusual for me, but I was working on someone else's music. I did most of the editing in the PRV, and just used the Staff View as a reference.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 00:01:26
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☄ Helpfulby polarbear 2014/02/22 13:02:06
There is a problem with this not specific to the Smart Tool. Right-clicking on a note with the arrow or pencil should bring up properties, but its behavior is intermittent, especially if the note is off the staff (using ledger lines).
Yesterday, I screwed things up by accidentally clicking Fit to Improvisation when I was trying to edit note properties.
By the way, this issue was mentioned in this forum a few months ago. I apologize that I do not remember who started the thread, but there was no solution.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 00:08:56
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Thanks Konrad. So, maybe the OP could report the issue to CW with a link to this thread? The problem seems to occur randomly so I don't think there's any definite procedure to reproduce the issue (just like the steps I submitted failed to recreated the issue on their end).
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 02:35:25
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☄ Helpfulby polarbear 2014/02/22 13:02:28
Yes - this is a known problem. If the note on which you're trying to open the properties dialog is BOTH below the staff AND the lowest note on the track, you get a context menu instead. If a note fits that criteria, I can't get the properties dialog to come up regardless of which tool I use, but some folks could by changing tools (but in a weirdly inconsistent way from system to system). I don't have X3, but in X2, the problem is reproducible on any system I've had a chance to test. This has been an issue since at least X2 (I went from 8.3.1 to X2, so I can't say anything about X1). When X2 came out, I'm pretty sure I filed a ticket about it, and never received any response. That was the early Roland period, so....  I did see someone mention somewhere on this forum that it had been addressed in X3, but I may be wrong. I'll dig around and see if I can find the thread. The workaround is clumsy, but I do almost all my MIDI programming in staff view, so I really don't have a choice. If the note you're trying to work on won't open the properties dialog, insert a lower note somewhere nearby. Edit the properties on the note you originally wanted to work on. Delete the added note (or keep working on other notes that would otherwise be un-editable, but remember to delete the extraneous one when you're done). Another workaround is to insert a note at measure 1:1:000, and use the PRV or event list to set the MIDI note to C-1 and its volume parameter to 0. I'm curious now to see if this really is the same problem persisting into X3 - if the criteria above doesn't fit your situation, let me know. It's always possible it's something different going on that cropped up in X3. <edit! found the original post I put up back in 2012: http://forum.cakewalk.com/minor-X2-notation-bug-m2678597.aspx>
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 06:40:59
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Thanks, kicksville. I've just run the same test again and confirmed what you're saying is totally true. So, I re-reported this issue (but this time I used the steps you posted in the other thread) to CW via Problem Reporter (CWBRN-24292 - "Lowest notes below staff fail to open Note Properties dialog when right-clicked")
I'll let you all know when the ticket status has been changed (hopefully to "Submitted to Development")
Below are the steps and results I submitted this time:
[Steps]
1. Insert a MIDI track and open staff view.
2. Input a note below the staff (doesn't matter which clef you're in), for example, the C one ledger line down from the staff in treble clef.
3. Right-click on the note.
[Expected Result]
Whatever tool (Smart/Select/Move/Edit/Draw/Erase) you use, it should bring up the Note Properties dialog.
[Actual Result]
With some tools (Smart/Select/Draw in my case), it brings up the staff view context menu instead.
Now insert a second note lower than the initial note, for example, the A below the C from step 2.
Right-clicking on the C now gives you the Note Properties dialog as it should, but right-clicking on the A will ONLY bring up the staff view context menu.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 13:06:32
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Wow that's some great info you guys. I'll definitely try the lower note thing today to see if that works for me too, and then file a ticket today. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
By the way the funny thing about me using staff view is I'm not even a classically trained composer, it's just the view I've gotten used to over the last 15 years for doing my note editing. It's just what I know haha. It's also part of the reason I prefer Cakewalk/Sonar over any other DAWs I've tried, because the way I work, things are just so much smoother when I use Staff view.
Anyway yea I'm gonna read through all of this, and then I'll definitely file a ticket.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 13:43:57
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Probably a known issue already. I found some old references. Seems it may have started with the X series. According to the last post in this thread, it's not a problem with the Move and Edit tools; other tools give the layout menu when right-clicking on notes below the staff: http://forum.cakewalk.com...tion-bug-m2678597.aspx
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 18:33:38
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I do 90% of my composition in Staff View, so if this trick works for me, it will really help. I will just insert a low note with zero velocity at the start of the track and then erase it when I am done.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/22 18:44:21
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☄ Helpfulby polarbear 2014/02/22 20:21:45
@polarbear: I had time to file a ticket last night so I did (see my last post), with a link to this thread. @brundlefly: Yes, the link you posted is the same one kicksville posted in #15  . And in my test (in my last post) the Move and Edit tools and also the Erase tool didn't have the problem. Btw, the funny thing about ME using the Staff view is I can't even read music properly, it's just that I'm a guitar player (and a songwriter who spends more time on VSTi's and MIDI) and use the Staff view's tablature to *remember* how I played the guitar part.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 08:57:19
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Surprisingly, my report (CWBRN-24292 in post #17) was closed with "Contact Tech Support."
I already contacted support about this issue (although only last week) because my first report (CWBRN-23709 in post #11) was also closed with the same status. I'm waiting for their reply but they seem to be busy moving locations according to one of them who gave me a reply today on another issue I'm currently dealing with.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 11:46:55
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@brundlefly:
Yes, the link you posted is the same one kicksville posted in #15 .
You mean #16. But, yes, I totally missed that post. I just wanted to point out that it's an old issue, and given the lack of love the Staff View gets, it's highly unlikely that posting new reports will get it fixed.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 15:38:44
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This has been a problem since X1, but there's an easy solution.
If the note whose properties you're trying to access is below the staff, try clicking on the left side of the note. I find this usually works the first time. I was used to clicking on the right side, which often does as you stated, it brings up the process menu instead.
If you're still having trouble (I've only see this issue on notes where the ledger line is below the staff, not in the staff or above the staff) you can always make the property changes in the event inspector on the control bar. Another way to get to the note's properties is to enlarge the staff size, but this is usually not necessary.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 16:06:34
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This sounds like "Operator Error #26455846485f" check your head David.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 19:05:18
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If the note whose properties you're trying to access is below the staff, try clicking on the left side of the note. I find this usually works the first time. I was used to clicking on the right side, which often does as you stated, it brings up the process menu instead.
Oh, that works! (Clicking on the right side seems to work as well here). Glad to know there's an easy workaround. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 19:39:43
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Thanks for filing with tech support, Jlien...curious to see what they say when you get through to 'em. I was wrong about one aspect of this little bug, though: it doesn't matter what the lowest note in the entire track is, it's the lowest note currently displayed that exhibits the problem. So my idea for a workaround to insert a C-1 at the very beginning of the track won't work. Inserting a note below the one on which you're trying to edit, then deleting it, works fine. Or, change to the edit, move, or delete tool, and you can bring up the note properties. Such a wee little bug, but it definitely gets old if you're doing a lot of editing below the staff Jerry - tried what you suggested, but it doesn't matter where you click on the note, regardless of how far zoomed in (at least on my system). If the note is BOTH below the staff AND the lowest note currently displayed, right-clicking the smart tool will not bring up the note properties dialog, Shawn - that was such an insightful answer! Very helpful. And by "insightful" and "helpful," I mean "wow, this guy actually took the time to snark at somebody who was looking for an answer." Nice!
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 19:56:55
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This is an annoying problem with the SV. If the note is below the staff lines, you can't access the note properties by right clicking. Depending on where the note is, I drag it up into the staff lines and make the necessary changes not forgetting to drop the note, in the properties, back to where I want it.
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 20:01:47
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Hey there Kicksville, I make a habit of poking fun at David, we are facebook friends and whatnot & I think he's really talented so it was an insider joke...I don't want you thinking I'm a total troll....I have helped him in the past!  - Shawn Lee Here is a photo of david I retouched (shortened) the pants in on his video game avatar that he likes! 
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Re: Sometimes I can't bring up Note properties
2014/02/25 20:04:25
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Ahh...OK, sorry for being a wanker - didn't realize yous guys were goofing around. Carry on!
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