Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug

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2003/11/15 14:15:18 (permalink)

Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug

Speaking of bugs, have these been recognized?

  • Hardware Main volume fader mixdown calibration error

  • Stereo to Mono summing error when hard panned tracks feed the Master Bus

  • Off-center pan values in a Track-Send results in volume increase in
    the exported wave file not present during realtime playback

These have been emailed with recipes to Cake support weeks ago without any acknowledgement and forum posted and ignored the week before last.

 
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    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/15 14:53:06 (permalink)
    I couldn't find your original bug reports. Could you provide recipes for these issues in more detail? We fixed an issue with send pan which will be in the next update but im not sure if you are referring to the same issue from your description.

    ORIGINAL: Richard Fey
    Speaking of bugs, have these been recognized?

    • Hardware Main volume fader mixdown calibration error

    • Stereo to Mono summing error when hard panned tracks feed the Master Bus

    • Off-center pan values in a Track-Send results in volume increase in
      the exported wave file not present during realtime playback


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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/15 14:57:52 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Richard Fey

    These have been emailed with recipes to Cake support weeks ago without any acknowledgement and forum posted and ignored the week before last.


    Richard, I know bugs/problems are real annoying, but I just want to suggest that Cakewalk does listen (I think they do) and it takes time to track down the cause of bugs in such a large Application as Sonar. So I would be a little more patient if ya can. I'm sure they want to fix any bugs they know of, it's what makes their product more valuable to all of us.

    CHeers :)

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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/15 17:02:54 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Richard Fey
    These have been emailed with recipes to Cake support weeks ago...


    Heh. Cake recipes.
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    Richard Fey
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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/15 17:36:51 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ba_midi
    Richard, I know bugs/problems are real annoying, but I just want to suggest that Cakewalk does listen (I think they do) and it takes time to track down the cause of bugs in such a large Application as Sonar. So I would be a little more patient if ya can. I'm sure they want to fix any bugs they know of, it's what makes their product more valuable to all of us.

    CHeers :)


    Thanks for the advice.

     
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    Richard Fey
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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/15 17:41:15 (permalink)
    I'll tell you what's really annoying is to compose a lengthy message, get disconnected from your IPS, reconnect and try to send the still open message window and have the message eaten and deleted in exchange for the following message:

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    Richard Fey
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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/16 11:27:29 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

    I couldn't find your original bug reports. Could you provide recipes for these issues in more detail? We fixed an issue with send pan which will be in the next update but im not sure if you are referring to the same issue from your description.


    I wrote a lenghty recipe right after you asked only to have it eaten by the Forum when I clicked send.
    I'm going to try this again and this time I think I'll make incremental backups to my message in case my ISP disconnects again and the new Forum bites, I mean eats it. <G> So, here's a condensed version of the original.


  • Hardware Main volume fader mixdown calibration error

    Record a test tone to a track at 0db. Send that track to a Bus or directly to a Hardware Main, center-panned all the way. With the Hardware Main signal showing 0 db, set the HM Volume fader to an arbitrary -10 db and export the project to a .wav file. The resulting file is not at the expected -10 db but at -20 db.

  • Stereo to Mono summing error when hard panned tracks feed the Master Bus

    Set the track pan of an audio track with mono clips to 90R and set the track Output to the Master Bus. Toggle the stereo/mono switch of that Bus to mono. The left channel level on the Bus (and track) incorrectly increases to match the original right channel level with no peak level reduction.

    However, if you send that same track to a Sub Bus whose output is set to Master Bus, and then toggle the Master Bus' stereo/mono switch to mono, the left and right channels on the Master Bus and the audio output are properly summed to mono; equal left and right levels but an overall peak reduction. This is the same behavior as when you toggle the Hardware Main stereo/mono switch.

    Neither of those routing scenarios nor toggling the Master Bus to mono to check a mix should be uncommon.
    Two normal routing scenarios with different stereo to mono summing from the Master Bus.

  • Off-center pan values in a Track-Send results in volume increase in the exported wave file not present during realtime playback

    You might have been contacted on this one by Eric. P, who discovered it. Not much else to say about this one. To pin this down, route a track to a bus exclusively using a Track-Send, set the track's Output to None to isolate the signal path. Record a signal to the track at an arbitrary level. Set the Track-Send panning to 50%. Check the peak level during realtime playback versus an exported .wav file. I see an approximate 5 dB increase in the exported file from a 50% pan value.

    HTH

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    Richard Fey
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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/18 12:40:49 (permalink)
    disconnected from your IPS


    I meant ISP.

     
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    RE: Sonar 3 Bug Bug Bug 2003/11/18 15:35:15 (permalink)
    I have noted too the stereo to mono problem.
    Basically when you set the pan totally to the right on a stereo track and then route it to the master out, you obtain a estereo output with only right channel sounding.
    Right, but then, if you press the mono button on the master bus you must to obtain a mono signal with the audio sound of the right channel of the source on both speakers ¿isnt it?, but in S3 you can hear cleary a mono sound containing both, the left and right tracks mixed together!!. The panner of the track source is not running at all in this situation, and you can see it on the level meters of the track channel. (both left and right meters flash).

    Another bug i have encountered is relative to Sonar3 with the Mackie control Surface i own. The snapshot button of the mackie doesnt have effect. (dont writes any envelopes on the track view). In fact the only effect it does is to disarm the automation data option.

    With Sonar 2.2 it works perfect.

    Regards.
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