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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 15:42:44
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ORIGINAL: BluesMeister
alltheseworldsIf you don't have anything constructive to say, then I would prefer it if you said nothing.
ustudio that's a reasonable suggestion, I had thought of borrowing one, but I don't know anyone who has one. I presume there must be plenty of people in the same position as me.
Qwerty69 thanks Q-dude, I had to edit my post because yourself and ustudio both responded while I was thinking and rethinking my reply to alltheseworlds. I managed to refrain from being abusive. Thanks for the link, that looks about the go. Now why could ATW have been more accommodating?
We like to say that there are no dumb questions but this one is pushing it. What did you expect for a response? We will stop production immediatey and how in considerate of us we should have realized your individual position before attempting to move forward with everyone else. LOL! AXE
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 16:02:08
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Bluesmeister, there's one other thing you need to consider: Sonar's memory usage is higher than HS2004. Isn't it a **** to upgrade? It always ends up in upgrading more than you intended! :D
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 16:20:14
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ORIGINAL: BluesMeister
Thanks dreamkeeper, if you read my edited post immediately above, I shall certainly explore that possibility.
[Edit] $49 for a Sony 16x DVD-ROM from Net Plus in Perth, Qwerty69, I think my budget can stretch that far. I can then do as dreamkeeper suggest and back up onto DVD. I recommend you get this upgrade performed by a professional. Anyone who still doesn't have a DVD drive, and didn't know they were that cheap is too far out of the technological loop to try it on their own. If you do it yourself, it will cost twice as much and take twice as long. Isn't your time worth more than that? Regards, David
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 16:39:52
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or just go with an external connected by firewire/USB
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 17:25:17
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 17:51:58
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IMHO the best solution for backups is a RAID mirror of your music data drive. "Best" is very relative. There are pathological power supply failure modes that can destroy all of the hard disks on your machine rendering any RAID useless. A second computer with a networked RAID drive on a separate UPS might be nearly immune to anything except the most catasrophic environmental disasters (like Katrina). For most of us DVD's stored on-site for quick usage and stored off-site for secure recovery is probably the cheapest most reliable approach. Regards, David
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 17:53:41
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actually .. i'm really glad they're doing this .. the 2 cd thing was annoying...
if it's like P5 .. then you can get the CD version .. it just costs you an
additional media fee.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 18:08:00
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actually .. i'm really glad they're doing this .. the 2 cd thing was annoying...
if it's like P5 .. then you can get the CD version .. it just costs you an additional media fee. The funny thing is the second "CD" in SONAR4 was a DVD and there have been a lot of threads from people who couldn't access anything on that 2nd "CD". Regards, David
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 19:23:04
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What's the pricing on 8" floppies and punch cards? I hate loading boot registers by hand with switches but at least I won't have to spring for one of them 5 1/4 inch drives. Anybody got a deal on core memory? Bet none of you kids have any idea what I'm talking about. Dan
How much extra to get it on 5.25" floppy disks? 
Here's one for 19.99 usd. http://www.dealexpress.com/resultindex.tpl?sku=17492
We could take up a collection. 
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 22:53:35
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Thanks for caring about my fortune Scott, however...
A) I'm in Australia, this means the $USD price was closer to $20,
B) It was 18 months ago at which time a DVD-ROM retailed around the $AUD120 mark.
C) Retail prices in Australia for hardware are typically 150% of US street price after currency conversion
Additionally, the original poster lives in Perth -- way over on the far left of our continent. Given the smaller population size, those guys get killed with price markups due to the associated freight costs.
It's a big, wide world people - subsidised US retail price points may be reality for you, but it is surely a different picture in other places...
Q.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/14 23:21:11
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I do think that those hardware snobs who poured scorn on the original poster for not having a DVD drive are missing the point here. For what it's worth: 1. Assuming that Cakewalk want to maximise their market share, there would be no logic in requiring people to have a DVD drive in order to install Sonar. Indeed, it would cost the company business. Do you have to have a DVD drive to want to buy or to be able to use or benefit from Sonar? No. This is completely different from specfifying minimum CPU, RAM etc requirements necessary for the program to run. In answer to the sarcastic question, "Should they make a version available on floppy disk?", I would say: Yes - if there was enough market demand for it! 2. Looks to me like Cake might have done it again. The unnecessary confusion and chaos that this will arise from this will potentially make the Unintelligible Manual fiasco of S4 look like small beer. I wonder how many people who do not have DVD drives in their PCs will have gone ahead and ordered without having read this small print condition, and then get pretty pissed of when they get something that's no bloody use to them.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 00:40:22
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alltheseworlds, I expected a civil answer. In that respect you failed miserably.
Stich Mine was really a question, not a complaint. A complaint is “this person being arrogant and rudeâ€.
Zentatonic, Axeman49, Clydewinder, patrickhamm, Harvey Cedars: yours are the voices of reason in a sea of noise. Thank you so much for taking the time to respond in a helpful manner.
Tazman, I’m not everyone, just an individual disappointed at some of the responses directed at me.
Cyberzip, they certainly aren’t giving away DVD burners down any of the malls where I live.
Alex Westner, I think you just managed to embarrass all of those trying to belittle me. I think owe you a beer.
Hammerhead, read Alex Westner’s post.
netstat, humour isn’t your forte.
newfuturevintage, I’m upgrading from Home Studio 2004XL. It comes on two CDs.
Duojet, I’m not in the USA, but thanks for the heads up.
pwal, I’m not in the UK, but likewise, thanks for the heads up.
Tonmann, thanks mate, stick it to him, I think he needs it.
dachay2tnr, Trojka & Qwerty69, know of any CakeWalk forums where the respondents are more civil & helpful? I have 1GB of RAM installed, although my processor is 2.4GHz, I’m sure it will cope. My motherboard is capable of accepting 3.06GHz CPU.
axe, read Alex Westner’s post. What’s that on your face? Looks like egg to me.
dcastle, your first response is both unnecessarily condescending and factually incorrect. Your second shows a more measured and reasoned response. Your third indicates that there may be others in the same position as I am vis a vis lack of DVD drive. Did you have a dig at them too?
bermuda, a reasonable suggestion. Thank you.
jmarkham, if you read Alex Westner’s post, you’ll see that an additional fee applies for a CD-version of Sonar 5.
danwilms, I have an idea what you’re talking about. And who would ever need more than 64kB of RAM?
Scott Reams, I would have to pay Aud$59 for a DVD burner.
glazfolk, well, that really is getting to the heart of the matter. You put that extremely well. Thanks mate, looks like I owe you a beer, too.
To anybody who feels slighted by my responses, I merely gave what I got. To anybody kind enough to offer generous help and support, I am indeed indebted to you.
You certainly need a thick skin round here.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 01:25:57
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dcastle, your first response is both unnecessarily condescending and factually incorrect. Your second shows a more measured and reasoned response. Your third indicates that there may be others in the same position as I am vis a vis lack of DVD drive. Did you have a dig at them too? I think you are way too full of yourself --- if you keep this up your going to be miserable here --- and you get much more help from many of us. Have a nice day, David
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 01:36:45
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ORIGINAL: dcastle
dcastle, your first response is both unnecessarily condescending and factually incorrect...
I think you are way too full of yourself --- if you keep this up your going to be miserable here ---
Hmmm ... some might say that somebody who appears not to know much about how companies price their gear in Australia (far more expensive here than in the US - and especially over in Western Australia) might refrain from making comments like this: Anyone who still doesn't have a DVD drive, and didn't know they were that cheap is too far out of the technological loop to try it on their own. "Cheap" and "expensive" are relative concepts! Best, Geoff
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 02:11:47
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I recommend you get this upgrade performed by a professional. Anyone who still doesn't have a DVD drive, and didn't know they were that cheap is too far out of the technological loop to try it on their own. If you do it yourself, it will cost twice as much and take twice as long. Isn't your time worth more than that?
Regards,
David
I have no need for a DVD drive, and I have been building computers for years. I dont see where you draw your conclusions from. It is never a good idea to make unsupported assumptions. D.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 02:18:42
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I was mean in my original earlier posts. I regret it & apolgize, but blame hormones & sunspots and hve a doctor prepared to testify on my behalf.
But back the original question... don't know about DVD/CDs, but I did hear there was an ancient Incan Knotted Cord Edition in the works. But you'll need the Obsidian Dongle for "KnottedCord-98" to activate it...
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 02:24:36
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I have no need for a DVD drive, and I have been building computers for years.
Quite so. It is a shame that the original post was flamed with sarcasm the way it was by some, because the poster wasn't simply making a valid point - he was making a useful one. If Cakewalk are going to switch from CD to DVD as their default sales media, there's no use tucking it away in the small print conditions somewhere - that info has to be loud, up front and in your face. People should be forced to tick a box when ordering - DVD or CDs. Otherwise, a lot of people who don't have DVD drives are going to get something they can't use, and we'll have another gigantic stuff up on our hands, just like we had last year with the Euromanual. Sorry to say this, but the problem, imho, seems to come from a culture somewhere in that company's marketing department that "We know best and the customer must conform to our business model", rather than acknowledging that in a competitive market economy it's the other way round. These guys work with state of the art gear every day, and too easily forget that it's not always like that for everybody else out there in the real world - and I do mean world, not just the USA! And no, I'm not whinging. Personally, I'm happy to take S5 on DVD or CDs, but that's not the point ...
post edited by glazfolk - 2005/09/15 02:32:13
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 02:56:51
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I think you are way too full of yourself Well, that's your opinion and you're perfectly entitled to it. But how does that address my original post? I think we may be veering off-topic somewhat. if you keep this up your going to be miserable here I'll be honest with you, I really wasn't expecting a roasting in response to my first post. But once the first responder weighed in, it seemed to be open slather. and you get much more help from many of us. Sorry, David, I'm not sure what you mean. You may prefer not to answer any of my posts in future. I've read other posts from you and you usually offer advice and help without the sarcasm. You do yourself a gross disservice when stooping to this course of action. It's a great pity. Have a nice day That's more like it. Thank you!
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 03:04:15
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ORIGINAL: BluesMeister
I really wasn't expecting a roasting in response to my first post.
Frank - To be honest, I was astounded at the barrage of sarcasm that was directed at you for making what was not simply a valid point but, imho, also a very important one (please see my post immediately above yours). I'm getting a bit concerned that some of the venemous atmosphere that has taken over the Coffee House forum is starting to spread into this one. It would be a great pity if this were to be so. Best, Geoff
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 03:04:36
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dachay2tnr, Trojka & Qwerty69, know of any CakeWalk forums where the respondents are more civil & helpful? I have 1GB of RAM installed, although my processor is 2.4GHz, I’m sure it will cope. My motherboard is capable of accepting 3.06GHz CPU.
I recently walked the exact same upgrade path (albeit it was Sonar 4), so I know what can happen. You know where to find me... :)
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 03:22:56
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ORIGINAL: glazfolk
To be honest, I was astounded at the barrage of sarcasm that was directed at you for making what was not simply a valid point but, imho, also a very important one (please see my post immediately above yours). Thanks Geoff, it was all thoroughly unwarranted, but if that's how things go in the Sonar Forum, then so be it. My question was directed at, and indeed answered by, CakeWalk. So taking all of the noise away from the signal, at least I got an answer.  I certainly appreciate your unwavering support. ORIGINAL: Trojka
You know where to find me... Indeed I do. I'm sure to be spending more time there than here. (Who's that cheering in the background? Stop that at once...) Time to put this one to bed now.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 06:52:14
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beside s4 required a dvd to play disk two it was a dvd full of sessions, and this is a growning thrend, you will face this with future plugins.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
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What's the pricing on 8" floppies and punch cards? I hate loading boot registers by hand with switches but at least I won't have to spring for one of them 5 1/4 inch drives. Anybody got a deal on core memory?
Bet none of you kids have any idea what I'm talking about.
Dan
I know what you're talking about but I'm still probably not near as old as you are. I guess I just a geek. Actually...the person I learned the punch card thing from would be a geek....and the 8" floppy thing...well, I know that because of games way back in the day. Oh, and the commador 64. I had a friend that had one of those.
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RE: mea culpa
2005/09/15 10:11:56
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in the same vein as a bunch of other whiners have recently asked....
.. In reality, it was your response that kicked everybody into overdrive. And you didn't recognize it, so you did it again and again. Please don't do it any more...
... I shouldn't have let it get to me, but you may not be aware that a few of the regulars have recently gone off the deep end --- being childish & abusive --- and one or two of them are even threatening to sue cakewalk for actions (or lack of actions) of the moderators. It has affected us all! I think we've lost patience with anybody we think might be whining. It's on the verge of destroying what used to be a really neat community here.
dcastle: Whatever has happened to you? The posts of yours that I have read in the past have invariably been courteous, well phrased, helpful, and on occasions, dare I say it, even displayed a slightly mischievous sense of humour. When I read this, I can't believe it's the same person. I won't intrude into possible personal issues, but ... The original poster was not whining. He exposed a legitimate concern, and one which I can guarantee will cause all sorts of problems if not addressed. Please read it again, then read the way he was initially flamed for it. The issues that are driving people out of this place (and I'm one who's just about on their way out of here) aren't people posting sensible questions like Frank did... It's the ****ing, the abuse, the flaming and the trolling.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 18:26:51
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ORIGINAL: Alex Westner [Cakewalk]
I agree with you on providing a "media type" check box. I'm hoping we can set that up soon.
Good to hear it. Thanks Alex. What a good job Frank made his noriginal post.
Best, Geoff
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 21:46:41
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Dave, I really didn't want this thread to descend into a name-calling back-stabbing flame-fest.
Alltheseworlds apologised for his first post and I think that's commendable. Well done ATW, it takes an adult to do that.
I'm not aware of any history here in the Sonar Forum, you will notice from one of my earlier posts that I'm currently using HomeStudio 2004XL. This was my first post in this forum.
Dave, if you are indeed offering your hand in friendship, then I accept that. It's time to move on.
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 23:09:29
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ORIGINAL: BluesMeister
danwilms, I have an idea what you’re talking about. And who would ever need more than 64kB of RAM?
Meeeee, Actually I just upgraded the DVD burner in the workstation to a dual layer Light Scribe drive but I'll admit it I'm pretty damn geeky. I'm sorry to say that the DVD burner is impossible to do without for transferring tracks to somebody else. Mostly what I do is multitrack with a hard disk recorder and suck that into SONAR but sometimes I just do a little post production sweetening before transferring the tracks to the final mixer. For that the DVD is necessary. No sarcasm intended my Aussie friend. Dan
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RE: Sonar 5 Producer Edition - DVD-ROM Req'd
2005/09/15 23:57:44
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Dan, I didn't take any offence from your reply. The 64kB RAM statement was, if I'm not mistaken, attributed to William Henry Gates III. Where, oh where would we be without Battling Billy? I can remember the first computerised drafting-station I ever saw. It was a monster of a thing comprising a drawing board top with two miniscule B&W monitors on top. The processor was housed in a room full of flashing lights and switches. I think it was made by DEC. I can't recall what the storage was, tape or Winchesters. Whatever, I wasn't privelaged to drive the thing, I had to draw everything by hand until around 1985 when I sat behind a 286 that had AutoCAD R9 installed. I think that may have had 64kB RAM. That thing would take 45 minutes to regenerate a drawing. Oh, happy days!
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