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Sonar 5.0...time for a decision....

Good day luminaries... Got worn out on staying with WinXP so I've just upgraded the DAW to Win 7.0. M-Audio had the Delta 44 drivers available so I wasn't concerned. Not surprising that I tried to record tonight on Sonar 5.0PE and have had the audio engine stop a few times and I heard some annoying low level Rice Krispie type sounds. Would it be consensus here that Sonar 5.0 won't work on Win 7.0 ? Are any using 5.0 on Win 7.0 ? Don't get me wrong as I have no prob upgrading. I just want to be sure that it's absolutely time to retire 5.0PE...just as I did all other versions since Cakewalk Home 3.0. Thank to all.... EDIT: so sorry about the Firefox text mess eye sore. Downloading the demo as we speak.
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    Middleman
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 01:51:31 (permalink)
    One thing I can say Quazelar, is that you are not one to quit on a piece of software. It's time to retire it.

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 01:53:32 (permalink)
    Upgrade upgrade upgrade.....you know it's for the best!

    And thank you for giving us the phrase "Rice Krispie type sounds"....I will be using that myself when the occasion arises 

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 03:26:31 (permalink)
    I'm still running PE v4 on Win XP Pro.  Since the consensus is to upgrade then I'm ready!  Just send me some $$$ for a new DAW and the upgrade and I'll install it!

     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 07:04:43 (permalink)
    Check out the demo, that should give you a good idea of what to do. I don't see a reason why Sonar 5 shouldn't work on Win7 but perhaps it doesn't.

    Either way, you're missing out on a lot - including a good learning curve - but not upgrading

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 07:11:07 (permalink)


    Now that I feel like I'm stuck back on v8.5 I feel that I could easily be stuck on v5 and not miss anything.

    After v2 we got a few bug fixes each year and lots of new extra stuff that you can use or ignore... it just depends on how many more bugs you want to learn about.


    Theordore Kruger points out that the PRV tools got messed up (a.k.a. improved) after v4 and when you watch him work in v4 it's pretty hard to disagree.

    The audio process bugs in SONAR v2 that I work around each session are all still sitting there in X2.


    I think X was the DAW that proved to me that you really don't need to upgrade until you actually really need to.



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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 07:31:39 (permalink)
    Dont fight it Wayne,  Do the upgrade

    Love your link to Leatherneck  


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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 08:53:22 (permalink)
    when you set up your m-audio in sonar; did you correct the latency?  or did you leave it as default?  default is WDM driver mode and m-audio typically works better with ASIO.

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 09:54:41 (permalink)
    Quazelar

    Good day luminaries...
    *bUb LoOkS aRoUnD aNd SaYs*, Well ... I guess one of us can help you ... 
    Got worn out on staying with WinXP so I've just upgraded the DAW to Win 7.0. M-Audio had the Delta 44 drivers available so I wasn't concerned. Not surprising that I tried to record tonight on Sonar 5.0PE and have had the audio engine stop a few times and I heard some annoying low level Rice Krispie type sounds.
    Specs? Is it an old PC, or did you upgrade your entire DAW (PC/Windows)? I think the Delta 44 card is a PCI card IIRC. There are problems with the PCI slot being bridged on newer motherboards and they don't work well with PCI sound cards some times. 
    Would it be consensus here that Sonar 5.0 won't work on Win 7.0 ? Are any using 5.0 on Win 7.0 ?
    I never used 5.0 ... but the problems you are experiencing are the same problems people complain about upstairs with X2 on brand new machines all the time. So I don't think upgrading to X2 with the hopes of correcting S/C&P is going to get you far.
    Don't get me wrong as I have no prob upgrading. I just want to be sure that it's absolutely time to retire 5.0PE...just as I did all other versions since Cakewalk Home 3.0. Thank to all....
    Here's my assessment. You like to own software and get to know it very well. X2 is such a radical change from the pre-X days, I personal think you are going to regret it. Workflow wise, and hardware wise trying to get it to run properly. How bug tolerant are you? There's a lot ... some folks don't mind working around them, and some of us do, and there's a lot of shimmy shaking to do.

    The other things to consider ... X2 is basically the same engine underneath as 8.5. I don't know if 5.0 is the same as 8.5 ... but I'd be willing to bet that 90% or more of it is.

    The other thing to consider is your VST's. If I remember correctly, 5.0 was 32bit only wasn't it? If you have 3rd party VST's that are as old as 5.0 ... you may run in to problems.


    Sounds like you had a pretty solid DAW. Do you want to give up all of your toolbar customization entirely, get rid of Track Layers for Take Lanes that are pretty much unusable at this point due to bugs, color customization, re-learn every shortcut, learn how to use the Smart Tool instead of just clicking on options in the toolbar (they are all gone)? X2 is not the same Sonar you've been used to.

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 10:40:43 (permalink)
    Well...coffee timej here

    Middleman:
    I'm not the power user that many here may be so 5.0PE worked well for me as long as I was on XP.
    I really wanted to get the DAW to Win 7 (32bit works for me) and enter the 21st century.

    Sharke:
    Yep....I'm ready.  The only thing that kept me back was having the Win7 upgrade courage first.
    Ha...hope you don't have any of these 'Rice Krispies' rearing their ugly little heads on your machine.

    Craigb:
    Your'e one version more archaic than me.
    Ha...will advise on your financing request to 'enter the 21st century'

    ProjectM:
    Downloaded the demo last night.
    I will do a quick test recording and if no Rice Krispies are there then the culprit is a Paleozoic Sonar 5.0 on Win 7.
    I know there's a learning curve involved and hope I live long enough to get some use out of it.

    mike_mccue:
    Sonar 5.0PE did everything I needed and more.
    I agree with your last phrase.....which I think I proved. :)

    digi2ns:
    Ok...not gonna fight it...especially since as my trusty M14 was confiscated. :)
    Yeah...that was a long time ago in a land far away and I somehow survived and remain above the dirt to this day.
    Thanks for the kind comment.

    beagle:
    Hmm...after running wave profiler (WDM) I did leave the m-audio as default at 5.8ms.
    I thank you for that tip which I will confirm today.

    Bub:
    Your sense of humor is well in tact. :)
    All your points are well received so I have my homework cut out for me today.

    Thank you all for chiming in.
    Just the stuff I was looking for.

    Will advise as this day of experimentation/trial/error unfolds.

    Carry on......(luminaries)







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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/06 18:45:48 (permalink)
    Uh-huh....just as I anticipated.
    I feel like I'm in 'Land Of The Lost'.

    Kidding aside I got the X2 trial downloaded by midnight.
    I knew of the different interface and what I was in for.
    I'm going with X2 studio as I can't justify the Production suite.
    I'm calling Cake today or tomorrow to see what tantalizing deals I may qualify for.....which scares me little. :)

    Started dabbling around this morning:
    1) Delta 44 profiled fine as WDM default (Beagle- I tried the ASIO.drv in Sonar 5.0PE and no luck...time to pull the trigger)
    2) Found how to configure/access/record successfully the JV-30, MBD-1, MVS-1 and Proteus FX.
    3) Instrument definition for the SGX-Nitro recognized so I can scroll patches for ease.
    4) I have NOT opened a 5.0 song file yet but presume it's all backward compatible.  (Ahem...RIGHT?)

    No furballs or PMO's during the process.
    So far, so good even though my neurons are in need a short break.
    I haven't found them yet but I will check out the available tutorials also.

    I welcome any other tips (or warnings).

    Anyone know where I can get us a couuple of pitchers of (not virgin) margaritas around here?....I'm buying.

    Thanks to all to entered this thread to help me spent some buckaroos.
    AND, for not chastizing me too badly for admitting I was still on 5.0PE.

    Carry on....

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 05:08:10 (permalink)
    Alright, you're up and running then! No Rice Krispies?

    My only concern about your setup is the Delta 44. It's not a bad card - they just happen to make much better these days

    If your plugin park is the same as previously you should be able to open Sonar 5 projects without any trouble. Just make sure you Save As "[project name]X2", or something like that, right away so you can go back to your songs in S5 if comething does get screwed up.

    Other than that, just make sure your system is well and healthy and let us know if you hit some bumps in the road. So far, you seem set to go. The question now is if you'll like working with the new interface

    Best of luck!

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 11:13:34 (permalink)
    Top of the mornin' ProjectM.....

    Yep...the plug park is all cool.
    All scans went without a hitch and system is on a clean re-format/install.
    Not one Rice Krispie in the mix to my elation.

    My Delta44 is many years old so I'll do what I have to if anything starts pizzing me off.
    The Win7 driver is behaving as we speak.
    What really pleases me is the fact that the driver I have for my Opcode 8PortSE Music Quest midi patch bay works in Win 7.
    Should anyone else be using this arhcaic yet reliable unit one can go here and buy it from Evert very reasonably:
    http://8portse.earthvegaconnection.com/order.htm

    The interface?...in all my subjectivity.
    I'm not annoyed by it at all.
    It's obviously not like the older Sonar versions but I do think it's has a cleaner, not as busy interface.
    Many thanks for your comments and assistance offer.
    I'm sure I may be needing it at some point.

    Mas cafe para mi....thanks again.

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 11:17:58 (permalink)
    Hey Quaz!

    Cool! That's great to hear If the Delta works, then no need to worry. And no need to spend more money. I did the same, made a clean install when X2 came out and it has been trouble free since. And when X1 first came out I was one of those who jumped straight into it and never looked back on previous versions.

    Im my opinion, you're up for a great time

    Good luck!

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 11:30:33 (permalink)
    I'm pretty happy about getting through all the hurdles/speed bumps when doing a major install/update.
    No residual BS with the system to keep me awake at night.

    I'm looking forward to digging deeper now.

    Thanks again....

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 11:39:36 (permalink)
    i'm extremely happy with my maudio audiophile 192 card..

    if you are thinking about the upgrade all the way around, i can suggest that 192 card, if you like maudio stuff.

    of course, you might as well look at usb and firewire, tho i'm a believer in pci and pci-e

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 11:58:48 (permalink)
    Mornin' batsbrew...(a micro brewery?...I'll be right over)

    I've had the 2496 in my other internet PC for a few years or so as a backup.
    M-Audio has never given me any grief so no complaints there.

    Sheesh...I still have the Paleozoic Echo Gina20 nicely packed up in a box.
    I purchased that one when it first came out back in the 20th century.

    Thanks for commnents....

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 12:02:06 (permalink)
    Unless you're running a commercial studio and all your plugins work well, then there really is no need to be on the bleeding edge... 

    XP and SONAR (older editions, particularly versions, 6.2 and 8.5) are very good and rock solid. Though you're on SONAR 5?, that's getting a wee bit too old but if you
    are still able to run all your plugins without issues -- then save more money towards an up-to-date PC, top-notch audio interface and the next version of SONAR. 

     
     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 12:11:59 (permalink)
    SongCraft....

    I concur.
    To state the obvious (being on 5.0PE so long) I've never felt compelled to be on said 'bleeding edge'.
    XPSP3 was very 'solid' for many years with the Sonar family but I did think it was time to upgrade the OS to Win7 and get current with the X2 generation. 
    (Win8 was never a consideration for me)

    I don't think I need to upgrade anything further at this time.
    But, time will tell as I put X2 through it's paces over time.

    Thanks for commenting....

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 12:51:59 (permalink)
    5.0 PE was my favorite. 

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 14:22:38 (permalink)
    Mooch4056....

    Yep...5.0PE served me quite well while on XPSP3 and I was quite accustomed to the interface.
    I'm sure I tried a couple of subsequent trial version post 5.0.

    Now...I'm a 21st century guy and it occurred with no pain.

    Later....

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 16:06:58 (permalink)
    SongCraft


    Unless you're running a commercial studio and all your plugins work well, then there really is no need to be on the bleeding edge... 

    XP and SONAR (older editions, particularly versions, 6.2 and 8.5) are very good and rock solid. Though you're on SONAR 5?, that's getting a wee bit too old but if you
    are still able to run all your plugins without issues -- then save more money towards an up-to-date PC, top-notch audio interface and the next version of SONAR. 


    Out of curiousity, where can you get 8.5 if that's the version you want?  Or have the Bakers made only the newest stuff available?

     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 16:36:12 (permalink)
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    SongCraft


    Unless you're running a commercial studio and all your plugins work well, then there really is no need to be on the bleeding edge... 

    XP and SONAR (older editions, particularly versions, 6.2 and 8.5) are very good and rock solid. Though you're on SONAR 5?, that's getting a wee bit too old but if you
    are still able to run all your plugins without issues -- then save more money towards an up-to-date PC, top-notch audio interface and the next version of SONAR. 


    Out of curiousity, where can you get 8.5 if that's the version you want?  Or have the Bakers made only the newest stuff available?



    Duh, HEREwhere YOU usually get all your supplies. Now if you ask nicely they may be able to assist. Good luck! 

    Hope the staff treats you well. 


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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 16:55:56 (permalink)
    Love my new jacket!  The arms are a bit long though...

     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 17:05:15 (permalink)
    craigb


    Love my new jacket!  The arms are a bit long though...
    I suppose it takes some getting use to. But at least the white room is well padded, no one will hear your screams and loud fits of laughter. 


     
     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 18:09:23 (permalink)
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    craigb


    Love my new jacket!  The arms are a bit long though...
    I suppose it takes some getting use to. But at least the white room is well padded, no one will hear your screams and loud fits of laughter. 


    That's OK, nobody hears them now anyway...

     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/07 18:22:51 (permalink)
    First one to the mess hall gets the Gagh!!


     
     
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/08 00:49:57 (permalink)
    Hmm....is the loony bin still open?

    I just noticed the minimum requirements for X2.
    I wonder if I got too excited too quick:
    "Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz / AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz or higher"

    My specs:
    AMD Sempron Processor 2800+  1.61 ghz

    Even though I'm no power user does the above make me totally SOL for X2?

    I need a drink.

    Thanks...

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    sharke
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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/08 01:57:52 (permalink)
    Yes I would seriously think about upgrading your processor, and maybe getting some more memory (you don't say how much you have but I'm assuming that if it's an older DAW then it's on the low side). 

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    Re:Sonar 5.0...time for a decision.... 2013/03/08 02:16:01 (permalink)
    Hey sharke... OK...I've got more homework to do. Thanks for commenting and confirming my thoughts. Later all....
    post edited by Quazelar - 2013/03/08 02:19:14

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