Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work

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2011/03/06 17:28:29 (permalink)

Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work

Hello all!
Just a quick question,
I would like to add some echo, and stretch out a deep growl (vocal) at the end of my song, so I highlight the clip, goto PROCESS>AUDIO FX and there i see "echo" and a whole list of cool fx I could mess with, but none of them seem to work. I can select them, but nothing comes up, like I thought a window would come up where I could set parameters, then audition the clip, but nothing happens. Is there a reason for that? I was reading the forum, and am thinking that I might have to reinstall the sonar dvd, but i am scared I will lose my work... any help?
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    Beagle
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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/06 20:49:49 (permalink)
    I would suggest that you don't use PROCESS>AUDIO anyway.  that's a desctructive editing function - in other words it will add the FX to the wave file and once you save the project you cannot undo it - it's printed.

    use the FX bin instead, click on the ARROW beside the EFFECTS pull down and then right click in the bin to add an FX like reverb.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/06 20:59:07 (permalink)
    yes if you wanna just stretch out that growl you should automate it..i used to do what you did and destructively edit..which does save cpu's if your in a limited situation

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/06 22:11:38 (permalink)
    I'm open to correction on this, but I'm pretty sure those stock Cakewalk effects are Dx, which, as I understand it, are no longer supported in the W7 environment.
    Not a huge deal, as there are many VST's available.
    As mentioned, inserting the effects in the FX bin give you full flexibility and control, and can easily be changed.
    You have way more horsepower than I do, so that shouldn't be an issue.
    I never use Process for effects, because  it's a done deal, and I like being able to make adjustments as a project progresses.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/06 22:19:09 (permalink)
    its worked for me fine.though i have had problems destructively adding effects..like for a small vocal note to be held with reverb..i split the note one each side.but whenever i try to add effects to the clip,it crashes.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/06 22:57:36 (permalink)
    chuckebaby


    its worked for me fine.though i have had problems destructively adding effects..like for a small vocal note to be held with reverb..i split the note one each side.but whenever i try to add effects to the clip,it crashes.


    Drag the clip to another track and add the effect in the new track's FX bin.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/07 07:10:16 (permalink)
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    its worked for me fine.though i have had problems destructively adding effects..like for a small vocal note to be held with reverb..i split the note one each side.but whenever i try to add effects to the clip,it crashes.


    Drag the clip to another track and add the effect in the new track's FX bin.

    dont know why i didnt think of that..but gregg is right..great idea.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/07 08:56:33 (permalink)
    we've all had those "duh" moments Charlie!

    destructive editing should always be used sparingly if at all and when it is used it should be done with care and precautions or you'll have to re-record if there's ever a problem.  the FX bin is a much safer and easier way to do it!

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/07 17:55:58 (permalink)
    you mean brain farts???...all the time beag...all the time.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/08 20:50:50 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for the input!
    Beagle- 
    ya I do use the FX bin, believe me, I have LOADS of reverb haha:) I have tried to play around with the reverb to get the effect I want, like I can get the growl stretched out to 7 seconds, but it just sounds all electronic, and buzzy. I am looking for a way that I used to do on Audacity all the time, I would highlight the last second of a good deep growl, and put an Echo on it, so my voice is actually stretched out and tapers off for however long I want it. Sorry for the long explanation!
    RobertB-
    I think your right about the FX not being compatible with W7 thing, Ive read something like that before, and I would think if everything else is working, why wouldn't I be able to use Echo, and all the other FX? You Mentioned VST's.... what are those? Are they free? where do I get them?? :) I still consider myself a newbie, even though I am creating some pretty rad songs!

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/08 22:23:24 (permalink)
    Also, I recorded 3/4 of guitar tracks for this project a few days ago, and I was just free jamming 20 mins ago and ended up messing with my settings on the pedals and a few other things..... now I can't get my guitar to sound like it did a few days ago..... I got it really close, but I was wondering if there was a magic button to take the two slightly different sounds (if I where to have the rest of the guitar track complete for this project) and highlight the tracks together and create an in-between type sound so the whole song sounds the same? Or do I really have to do this whole song over again? :(
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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/08 22:49:23 (permalink)
    there's no way we can' know what had and what you want from your sound.  you can put both tracks in the project and that might be somewhere "in between"


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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/09 00:43:10 (permalink)
    You Mentioned VST's.... what are those? Are they free? where do I get them?

     
    There are DX effects and VST effects. There are DX instruments (DXi) and VST instruments (VSTi). The instruments are software synthesizers. You have some with SHS 7, including TTS-1. You also have some DX and VST audio effects.
    I think that some of the DX effects and instruments don't work well (or at all) in 64-bit operating systems.
    There are many free VST effects and instruments on the web, some may play on 64-bit systems, some may not.
    There are others that cost many hundreds of dollars.
     

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/09 20:14:07 (permalink)
    Hummm, ok.
    So I guess I get screwed out of using the sonar FX because I operating 64 bit! Oh well, I guess Ill have to try and find another way, its kinda what I thought...
    Thanks for the updates!

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/09 23:46:48 (permalink)
    Run the program in 32-bit emulation mode.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/10 09:42:04 (permalink)
    I don't think that will work, greg.  SHS7 only installs as a 32bit application anyway.  the problem he's having is that those DX FX won't work on 64bit at all.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/10 10:21:18 (permalink)

    Hello all!
    Just a quick question,
    I would like to add some echo, and stretch out a deep growl (vocal) at the end of my song


    The best way to get a streched growl is to split the part you want to stretch. bouce that part to a clip make sure no longer the a couple of seconds. then go to right click your mouse and select clip properties then select audio stretching and then selct a higher beats in clip. when you have the desired lenght and effect go to tracks and clone the track. 
    next step is to create depth, do this using pitch shifter on the new cloned track and either lower or higher the pitch a few degrees only and and a reverb. when you then play the 2 back you can get some great vocal effects. takes some playing with to get just right. i find that if you then a a track envelope and pan the 2 tracks, track one left to right and track 2 right to left it adds a cool effect as you get the growl plus a dry vocal turning into a reverb.

    hope that adds something to what you wish to achieve
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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/10 11:02:07 (permalink)

    those DX FX won't work on 64bit at all.

     
    Well, shoot. I thought they would. Bummer.
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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/11 16:49:29 (permalink)
    thanks again fellow music makers!
    hey if anyone finds out something that will work with SHS7 and 64 bit processor, like an FX package if there is such a thing... please let me know!
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    Sounds interesting, ill mess around with that! Thanks man

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/11 17:00:39 (permalink)
    there are plenty of FX available that will work - just not DX ones!  there should be some available to you in your VST FX menus and if that's not enough there are plenty of free ones available!  check kvraudio.com for plenty of free ones.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/11 23:28:17 (permalink)
    I am a skeptic.
    I know that Beagle knows a lot more than I do about a lot of things, but I kinda questioned your statement, Reece, about DX effects not working on 64-bit OSs.
    When I loaded SHS 6 on this new computer a few weeks ago and tried it out, I sampled a lot of effects from the list, but I didn't note whether they were DX or VST. So I tried it out tonight. Every audio effect listed in the Plug-in Manager as a DX audio effect worked perfectly on my computer, in the 32-bit version of SHS 6 on a Win 7 64-bit machine.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/12 00:21:12 (permalink)
    the direct x audio fx should work..i just loaded up pro audio 9.0..im running a 64 bit system..thats a 32 bit program.ive got them working in that.sonitus reverb..exc.maybe the scan path isnt set up.did you go to plug in manager and scan your plug ins?..either that or this program is a totaly different than what i have..but i thought the two were simular

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/12 00:24:55 (permalink)
    sorry my bad..recce is right..dont know what i was thinking questioning him anyway...lol..or greg for that matter..sorry guys

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/12 00:50:36 (permalink)
    Well, you don't have to scan for DXs, only VSTs.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/12 00:53:44 (permalink)
    well i just learned something new there..i didnt know that.
    is it because there automaticaly scaned?
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    Re:Sonar 7 Audio FX don't work 2011/03/12 07:39:34 (permalink)
    Greg - I don't mind at all being checked and I will absolutely admit if I'm wrong!  You should know that about me as well!

    I went and looked at which ones I was able to open in win7x64 and there were several.  My guess is that these are the ones which were modified by cake to work in 64bit (because I still am pretty certain that 32bit DX applications of any kind - not just plugins for sonar, won't work in 64bit OS).

    I'm going to go look at the 32bit DX FX on my winxp boot up later to see which ones are available there and which ones of those are not available in win7 and make a comparison.

    Charlie - DX doesn't have to be scanned because they are installed on the OS and have registry entries.  DX is a Microsoft protocol and is not specific to audio programs like sonar - there are a lot of different kinds of DX apps available.

    VST is a Steinberg (think Cubase) protocol which has been adopted by the DAW industry and does not write to the windows registry, so those apps have to be scanned by the host.

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