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Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
I currently use Sonar 8 and have recently bought Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 and MIR Pro and I am having difficulty learning to use it. Does anyone here use the same setup? I would like to talk to users willing to help me out. Thank you, Mike Coyle
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/09 14:21:55
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Mike... do they have any user forums for that software? I'd go there for the specifics and little tricks people use in those packages.
Aside from that, are you at all familiar with how to use synths? Basically each one of those packages is a synth (player) with a library of patches or samples depending..... Vienna is a sampled synth IIRC.
Are you up to speed on how to insert synths and get the midi data to properly trigger the samples?
If not..... reply back and we can get you pointed in the right direction. Otherwise.....
Insert the synth, be sure it knows where the samples are located and select the sample from that library and load it. Be sure the keyboard you use sends midi data in the same channel the synth is using to receive and you should be good to go.
Since most synths operate in similar manner, if you know one, they should all work along the same lines.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/09 15:17:02
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Hello from the Sonar forum  . I'll try to give this a go. I'm on X1, but the steps should apply to Sonar 8 as well. First, let's get the basics working on one machine. 1. Open Vienna Ensemble Pro Server. 2. Open Sonar, load a project. 3. In your Sonar project, load the soft synth: Vienna Ensemble Pro. 4. The VEP soft synth should say "NOT CONNECTED". Press the Connect button, and you should see "127.0.0.1 localhost [64] (NEW)" under AVAILABLE INSTANCES. (the [64] is for the 64-bit version of the server. The important part is the 127.0... part) 5. If you don't see that, then there's a problem. 6. Select the 127.0... and press the CONNECT button. 7. That should have loaded the main VEP interface. These steps are all in VEP 8. In VEP make sure you're in the Mixer interface. F3 will toggle it on and off. 9. Right Click and Add Instrument. This will load a "Vienna Instrument" plugin. 10. Load an instrument into that Vienna Instrument. At this point, doesn't matter which one. If you lose the plugin's UI, double click the track name in the VEP mixer to open it up. 11. At this point, when the instrument is loaded, you should be able to click the little piano keys at the bottom of the Vienna Instrument and it should play through VEP into Sonar. Now back to Sonar. 12. Set a MIDI track (insert one if you don't have one) output to the Vienna Ensemble Pro soft synth. 13. Record or Enter MIDI notes into that track. 14. Play it back, and all should be well. The main thing about VEP, is that the Vienna Ensemble Pro soft synth in Sonar handles all the audio output of the VEP mixer interface, including MIR. MIR is another level of complexity. Report back, and then we'll try to tackle MIR.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/09 18:41:54
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Herb, Thanks for your reply. I am pretty familiar with everything you mentioned. When I first learned to use Sonar I would create an audio track, insert the softsynth in the FX bin, then create a midi track and point the output tp the instrument. Then someone told me about the inert method where both tracks are created for you. Vienna Ensemble Pro is a weird program and I'll be honest, I am not even sure how to explain its purpose, but I do know it is necessary to run MIR which is the software I really want. Another member of this forum has offered help and he has the same setup, so I think I'll get the answers I need. I'm sure all of you will hear more from me over the next few weeks though! :-) Thanks, Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/09 18:46:08
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Steve thank you, I will try all this tomorrow when I get back to the computer. I'm sure I'll be in touch again! Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 10:57:52
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Before I type up MIR instructions, there are two possibilities: 1. Run audio out of Sonar, into VEP and MIR, back to Sonar.
2. Send MIDI from Sonar to a Synth in VEP, run through MIR, output to Sonar.
Which do you want to do?
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 15:50:17
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Steve Corey, please see my reply below - I was using Firefox which was not allowing me to format text on this forum so I am using IE for now. It will make my reply much easier to read and reply to. Thanks, Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro - YOU CAN IGNORE THIS POST
2012/05/10 15:52:59
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Ignore this post - it was about the formatting issue. Turns out Firefox was the problem.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 16:06:34
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Steve, once again, see below - I reposted this quesrtion after I switched browsers. Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 16:22:06
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I just stumbled on this thread because I'm interested in VEPro. I have no clue about the program but to answer your question about the text format.
If your using Firefox to browse and reply in this forum, that's the problem. Try using a different browser. Chrome seems to work.
Good luck
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 16:40:39
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guitarmikeh
I just stumbled on this thread because I'm interested in VEPro. I have no clue about the program but to answer your question about the text format.
If your using Firefox to browse and reply in this forum, that's the problem. Try using a different browser. Chrome seems to work.
Good luck
THANK YOU! IE is working - I have no idea why Firerfox is causing that problem Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 16:45:35
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OK - I am re-posting this to Steve Corey - it's easier to read and reply to:
Steve, All your suggestion worked for me! YOU should write the manual for VE Pro! A few questions (and then on to MIR). First, let me say that the way I have been adding instruments in Sonar is by creating an audio track, then inserting a vst instrument into the FX bin, then, create a midi track and route the output to the VST instrument. I know you can do it by going to "insert" on the Sonar toolbar, then select softsynth and then pick your instrument or effect. I just haven't done it that way because I learned the other way first and stuck to it. Should I change that?
1. I am running Windows 7-64 bit so I am assuming I should be opening VEP(64) and VEP server (64) as well, right?
2. In the mixer Interface in VEP the new instrument I added shows up as a new channel but has no Panning icon/control like the master channel has. Should it have that?
3. Do I now have to open a new instances of VEP for every in every audio track FX bin for every new instrument I want to add in Sonar? Or, is there a way to open everything in VEP and just route to the approriate channel in Sonar? When I experiemented with the "send" tab at the top of a second channel in VEP I couldn't get a new added instrument to play. That's why I am wondering about the routing.
4. In the area in VEP where it says "pan" on the master channel, it says "Vienna MIR Pro" on my added instrument channel. Is that correct? I assume that is your way to MIR and I have layed with it but not gotten it to work yet.
In response to your other question: "Before I type up MIR instructions, there are two possibilities: 1. Run audio out of Sonar, into VEP and MIR, back to Sonar. 2. Send MIDI from Sonar to a Synth in VEP, run through MIR, output to Sonar. Which do you want to do?"
Honestly, I am not sure is more advantageous at this point. I will want to use a limited number of third party software if that makes a difference. I have a lot of old .gig samples (VSL and others) which I still like to use and I use a wonderful little piece of software called G-Player (64 and 32 bit) to play them - it is a vst plugin. I apologize again that is is going to look like one huge mass of text - still haven't figured out why that's happening.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 17:04:09
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(on edit: I had posted this before you got the forum formatting straigtened out. Forum software. Grumble grumble.) Yeah, the latest firefox doesn't work with this forum--but it's the forum software's fault, not firefox. IE, Chrome, or Firefox 3 will work properly. I'm using IE at the moment.
Michael C.
Steve, All your suggestion worked for me! YOU should write the manual for VE Pro! A few questions (and then on to MIR). First, let me say that the way I have been adding instruments in Sonar is by creating an audio track, then inserting a vst instrument into the FX bin, then, create a midi track and route the output to the VST instrument. I know you can do it by going to "insert" on the Sonar toolbar, then select softsynth and then pick your instrument or effect. I just haven't done it that way because I learned the other way first and stuck to it. Should I change that?
No need to change it if it's working for you. I think it's a very logical way to work.
1. I am running Windows 7-64 bit so I am assuming I should be opening VEP(64) and VEP server (64) as well, right?
Right. But just to be clear, so far we've only used VEP server (64), not the standalone VEP(64) app. And in fact, I don't think I ever use the standalone app. I always use the server.
2. In the mixer Interface in VEP the new instrument I added shows up as a new channel but has no Panning icon/control like the master channel has. Should it have that?
Yes. Can you post a screenshot of what you've got? You need to find an image hosting site and link to it, this forum doesn't allow image posting.
3. Do I now have to open a new instances of VEP for every in every audio track FX bin for every new instrument I want to add in Sonar? Or, is there a way to open everything in VEP and just route to the approriate channel in Sonar? When I experiemented with the "send" tab at the top of a second channel in VEP I couldn't get a new added instrument to play. That's why I am wondering about the routing. 5. In the area in VEP where it says "pan" on the master channel, it says "Vienna MIR Pro" on my added instrument channel. Is that correct? I assume that is your way to MIR and I have layed with it but not gotten it to work yet. I'm going to stop here so ewe can proceed in small increments. Thanks, Mike
Lots of questions there, and I'm not quite sure how to tackle them without seeing what you're getting. But generally, you only need the one instance of VEP to handle everything. You can load it up with all your instruments and effects, as far as your hardware can handle it. Incidentally, what are your computer's CPU and RAM specs? I also have G-Player. Do you have the old VSL Performance set? I still use a bunch of those libraries in G-Player. I'm a bit short on time, and I'm not sure when I can do some decent tutorials for this. I'd love to get some screenshots posted since that would help a lot... but I'll try to answer what I can. If my instructions above were successful to get you at least one Vienna Instrument playing, then the next step to get MIR going is simple. In VEP, go to your instrument track and click the '+' sign on effects and choose Vienna MIR Pro->Stereo to Stereo. Then go to MIR (press F6) and choose your hall. That should get you started.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/10 22:40:20
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Steve, I will answer all your questions but first I want to tell you about a new issue that is perplexing. I spoke with Austin at ILIO today thinking a 5 minute call could take the place of 35 posts! He was quite good and because of your instructions I was up to speed on the basics. A new problem has surfaced which stumped him and me. To trouble shoot I opened the standalone version of VEP, opened an instrument, added MIR as an effect, went to MIR to select a venue, and low and behold, NO REVERB. Nada from MIR. We looked at every possible parameter variable, sliders, switches, check boxes, everything. Then I had the bright idea that perhaps my audio interface latency was set too low, but I actually had it set to 128 as Vienna Imperial needs to use that as a minimum to use it few convolution reverb effects. It was apparently not a latency issue which I was 100% sure was going to be the answer. I then un installed the whole program because VI actually released a new version of VEP5 yesterday. I reinstalled and it still does not work. That may because it does not remove everything and keeps some file which save some settings so the problem just came back. I have written to Dietz at VI about this and he basically suggested everything Austin and I already did. My next suggestion to them was suggestions about how to remove EVERYTHING from VEP to do a real clean install. They have not responded to that. I have also suggested that they send me a very simple project file that can be opened in the standalone to I could see if IT works. If so, I'd delete everything and save the file as my default empty project. They have not responded to that either. My absolute last resort is to run my setup disks from ADK (who I bought the computer from) and set the HDD back to its original state. I would hate to do that for obvious reasons. So this is where I'm stuck now. So close it hurts, but so far because I just don;t know enough about the program to troubleshoot every possibility. Do you have any ideas? I need to fix this before moving on. To answer your quesiotns about my CPU and RAM: Intel - Core i7 2600 Processor: 3.40GHz Quad 8 meg cache w/HT (Sandy Bridge) 16GB RAM Thanks again, Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/11 23:06:04
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Steve, I fixed my VEP/MIR problem. The problem was the latency setting in MIR, not the latency setting in my audio interface. I ultimately set VEP/MIR to 0 latency and my audio interface (Steinberg MR 816X) to 128 and, lo and behold, REVERB!!!!!!!!!!!! I can actually set the VEP/MIR latency to ANYTHING other than 128 and it works, however, I have to keep the Steinberg set at 128. Is this normal? I'm at least happy that I got VEP running and now MIR. Steve, and am very grateful for your responses and help! Mike Coyle
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/14 11:40:32
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Glad to help. Feel free to post any more questions you have about the Vienna stuff.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/16 16:34:01
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SCorey
Glad to help. Feel free to post any more questions you have about the Vienna stuff.
Steve, this will probably sound REALLY stupid, but how do you send added instrument tracks to Sonar? I have only been experimenting with basic stuff and I just tried adding and instrument channel, so there are now two instrument channels, but I am not sure how to route the second channel in VEP. I have been opening VEP as an effext by putting it in the FX bin of an audio track and then sending the midi track output to VEP - just like using any VST in Sonar. However, I am stumped about how to route new instrument channels. Would I have to point a new nidi track to the same instance of VEP?
I am also posting a new question about MIR and Sonar, but i am going to make it a new post - totally different topic.
THanks
Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/17 12:29:33
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Let me see if this is kinda what you want to do: Have a MIDI orchestration in Sonar that plays multiple instruments in VEP, and then their outputs go back to Sonar. If that's what you want to do then... From the previous instructions and from what you've posted, you've got one instrument going. You add another instrument in VEP and make sure its output is set to the VEP master buss. So maybe you have something like this:  You can see I've got a Flute and a Tuba. At the bottom you see that they are going to the Master Bus. At the top of those two tracks, you see "All All" which will be changed next to 1 1 and 1 2:  Flute is now on port 1 channel 1, Tuba is now port 1 channel 2. You just click the 'All' to get a drop-down list of the ports and channels. Now back in Sonar, set your flute track output to Vienna Ensemble Pro 1 (assuming this is the 1st VEP you've inserted) and the flute channel output to 1. Set Tuba output to Vienna Ensemble Pro 1 and Channel to 2:  (this is on X1, but should be very similar to Sonar v8). Now you should have your separate instruments available. Add up to a total of 16 instruments in VEP and 16 tracks in Sonar. After that, there's another step to take. But first, just get these going. So all the instruments in VEP get mixed down to the VEP master buss and sent to the VEP VSTi that I have there in track 3. Is that what you needed? (I'll tackle your MIR question on the other thread next.)
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/17 16:01:50
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WOW, you outdid yourself this time! It worked like a charm. Why can't the VSL manuals be this good? Maybe I am just not spending enough time with the manuals, but honestly, I find them to be pretty weak. There seems to be more talk about what the software can do and how well it can do it, but HOW to do it is often elusive!
Thanks once again!
Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/17 16:20:19
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I agree, their manuals are lacking. It took me a while before I figured it out through a combination of their documentaion (which is like you said, more ad copy than instruction), googling and lots of trial and error. Guess I need to make a video of all this stuff.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/21 17:19:58
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Steve, Quick question. Should VEP be setup as an FX insert in an audio channel FX bin, or should it be setup as a bus? IN your post about sending audio to MIR you said: "Now in Sonar, set up your MIR buss and set up a 'send' on your audio track to go to that buss. In the Buss, insert the "Vienna Ensemble Pro Audio Input" plugin. Press the "Assign" button and assign it to the VEP server." I'm asking because I am having trouble when I try to use the "VEP Audio Input" effect with that setup. I have things setup as follows in my example: in Sonar my first audio track has VEP inserted as a .vst in the FX bin. Then each of the next three tracks are midi tracks where the midi ports and channels are assigned (e.g. 1,1; 1,2; 1,3...) to the instrument channels setup in VEP. When I try to then use the VEP Audio Input effect on a subsequent audio track I get no sound. I think I am not setting the input and output correctly in Sonar for this. Here's what is confusing me. I am still not sure whether VEP should be setup as a bus or a track insert effect. The only way I seem to get the audio input effect to work is when VEP is setup as a bus and the VEP Audio Input effect is inserted as a track effect. BUTm if VEP is setup as a bus, then there is no way to route the midi tracks to that bus as midi tracks cannot be "bussed!" Is this making any sense? :-) I can get both to work, sort of, but not together. I can send screen caps if that helps! Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/21 17:33:36
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Steve,
WHat view is the screen cap you attached in Sonar? It does not resemble either the track or console view in my Sonar. It may be just a difference between Sonar 8 and X1.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/21 18:20:54
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Those screenshots are showing my track view. Here's another one, zoomed out, hopefully it will make more sense:  So track 1 "VEP Return" has the VEP VSTi softsynth. Tracks 2-5 are MIDI that point to the instrument tracks in VEP, set to port 1, channels 1-4. You can barely see thier output and channel assignments. And then tracks 6-7 are audio tracks. They have a send (visible in track 7, not 6, sorry) that goes to the buss I called "MIR". Buss C "MIR" has the VE Event Input plugin, and it goes to the VEP "From Sonar" track, IN 1 / IN 2. I've got MIR inserted on the VEP Master Bus, and in MIR, I've set it to 100% wet. This setup is/was working for me, with all sound being routed out of VEP into Track 1. Now then, while setting this up and re-reading a bit of this thread, I noticed that you had to set your MIR latency to 0. Mine was set to 128, so I set it to 0 and gave it a try. Didn't work, no MIR sound. I set it back to 128 and now I get crackles and pops. On reboot, it worked for an instant at 0 latency then stopped working. Setting to 128 didn't help. So now I'm troubleshooting that problem, trying various combinations of soundcard and MIR latencies.  In any event, the routing in that screen shot seems to work for some configuration of latency setting. But I'm running out of time for today... maybe this might give you some clues to work with?
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/21 21:10:25
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Steve,
What I guess I don't get is how to send to that MIR bus. I did just what you did and set MIR as a bus on the master channel, but I am not sure how it then gets that audio track data sent to it. Obviously there is not going to be a bus called "MIR" in Sonar, so that's where I get stuck. What should the sonar in and out be set to? It is thae lack of a "MIR" bus in Sonar that is really confusing me.
Ya know, I have written to Dietz Tinhof about this issue several times and he is mystified that I am not getting. He keeps saying "it's intuitive" - I want to punch him in the throat right now! :-) (kidding, but you get my point!)
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/21 23:15:15
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Everything's intuitive when you already know how to do it :)
You need to add an aux send and a buss to get the track to it. Right-click on the track that has the audio you want to send to MIR and choose "Insert Send->New Stereo Bus". That will add an aux send that goes to a new bus. You can double-click the busses name to change it to "MIR" if you want. Then in that busses FX bin, you insert the VE Event Input. That should get you to the point that my screenshot shows.
Now for every track that has audio that you want to send to MIR, you right-click the track and choose "Insert Send->MIR" --provided you named that bus MIR.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/22 13:01:46
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"Everything's intuitive when you already know how to do it :)"
Exactly! That's what I told him! At one point when he was frustrated with one of my questions he said something to the effect of..."Duh, it's they way it's been done in MIDI for the last 30 years!" My reply was, "yes, but you should write your manuals as if the user has been using MIDI for the last 30 minutes!"
Thanks again - I'll give this another shot this afternoon when I have more time and get back to you.
Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/25 16:49:49
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Steve worked beautifully for me. The step I was missing was the " VE Event Input plugin " in the bus to which I send the audio track. I had the EP Audo Input" vst inserted in to the track, but was missing the Event plugin!
It's is working fine now.
Thanks once again for your help and patience!
Mike
SCorey
Those screenshots are showing my track view. Here's another one, zoomed out, hopefully it will make more sense:
So track 1 "VEP Return" has the VEP VSTi softsynth.
Tracks 2-5 are MIDI that point to the instrument tracks in VEP, set to port 1, channels 1-4. You can barely see thier output and channel assignments.
And then tracks 6-7 are audio tracks. They have a send (visible in track 7, not 6, sorry) that goes to the buss I called "MIR".
Buss C "MIR" has the VE Event Input plugin, and it goes to the VEP "From Sonar" track, IN 1 / IN 2.
I've got MIR inserted on the VEP Master Bus, and in MIR, I've set it to 100% wet.
This setup is/was working for me, with all sound being routed out of VEP into Track 1.
Now then, while setting this up and re-reading a bit of this thread, I noticed that you had to set your MIR latency to 0. Mine was set to 128, so I set it to 0 and gave it a try. Didn't work, no MIR sound. I set it back to 128 and now I get crackles and pops. On reboot, it worked for an instant at 0 latency then stopped working. Setting to 128 didn't help. So now I'm troubleshooting that problem, trying various combinations of soundcard and MIR latencies.
In any event, the routing in that screen shot seems to work for some configuration of latency setting. But I'm running out of time for today... maybe this might give you some clues to work with?
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Michael C.
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/26 16:37:44
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Steve,
I shared your answer (anonymously) with Dietz from VSL. Here was his repsonse (between ++++ marks):
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"Uhm - I'm a bit confused, to be honest.
I understand point 1 and 2.
ad 3: Are the audio tracks meant to be used as one ensemble, or as individual signals? When you're aiming for the latter, they should use individual VE Pro Audio Input Plugins.
ad 4: The Event Input Plugin should send controller data to VE Pro, not an audio stream. VE Pro Audio Input should be used instead. I can't see how this should work the other way 'round.
ad 5: Why do you insert MIR Pro on the master bus?!? MIR Pro should be inserted on individual channels, to allow for indivdual positions, directivity profiles and other processing. In the same vein: When you set MIR Pro to 100% wet, you will lose all of MIR's ability to do the proper positioning for the dry signal components of an instrument or audio channel.
... I suggest that you take a look at the examples I gave in the tutorial-section of MIR Pro's Manual (p.37 ff), as well as some of the Venue Presets that were released just recently (e.g. "Neuer Saal Mic 2 - Contemporary Dry (Trimmed)" might be a nice, self-explanatory example)."
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Does this make sense to you?
Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/28 00:03:14
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Steve, I see what Dietz was saying now. The only thing yo9u need to do to have audio go through MIR is insert the VEP Audio Input plugin in each audio track you want to send. He told me the only time the Event Input Plugin is needed is to circumvent AU/VST single MIDI port limitation on some hosts (Logic, most notably). VSL just released a bunch of good presets for VEP. Like he said, the Neuer Saal mic 2 was a god example of setting up for audio only. I hope I'm not telling you something you already know. My head has been spinning a bit for the last two weeks so I may have misinterpreted some of what you have said. I tried the basic setup he talked about and it worked very nicely - giving full independent control of all audio tracks. Mike
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Re:Sonar 8, Vienna Ensemble Pro and MIR Pro
2012/05/29 11:48:08
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I read back what I wrote, and I did make a mistake--sorry! I said "Buss C 'MIR' has the VE Event Input plugin" and I should have said it was the Audio Input plugin. I think that lines up with what Dietz has said--barring the individual audio track situation. See next paragraph.
As for why I just had MIR on the master buss, that was only as an initial "get it working in the simplest way possible" step. The next steps would have been to get the individual tracks working and set up in MIR the way it should be. Maybe it wasn't the ideal way to explain it, but in the absence of actually working with your setup I thought it would be useful to start with baby steps and move forward slowly. I had found that the Vienna documentation assumed way too much, so I tried to keep it simple. Hopefully Dietz doesn't think I'm a complete duffer! I actually do know how it works :)
Anyway, glad you got it working and I hope I didn't send you down too many false trails in the process.
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