dexterflex
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Sonar 8 and dongle
Does anyone know if the new sonar 8 will require a dongle?
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 14:29:35
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No one "knows" (well, Cakewalk employees, their families and very, very close friends may, actually...)...but why on earth would they go there now? They know how much we, as customers, appreciate the dongle-freedom we currently have. 
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 14:33:34
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 14:37:51
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 14:52:38
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 14:54:56
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brandon thankfully says no
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 16:32:55
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If so, I'm not upgrading
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 16:49:58
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If so, I'm not upgrading
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 16:54:28
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a dongle would be great - so everyone could post here without having some smartypant claiming he is a pirate...
i see no problem in a dongle - i have one for cubase 4 and i wonder what sort of disturbance it represents for some people....especially if you all work with your high profile daws..havent you git ONE usb port left????
...trying to be polite... quick temper...trying to be...
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 16:59:05
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Personally...
I always feel a little strange saying the word "DONGLE" out loud.
.....reminds me of an experience I had once on the subway.
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Tom F
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 17:02:49
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Personally...
I always feel a little strange saying the word "DONGLE" out loud.
.....reminds me of an experience I had once on the subway.
someone tried to plug a stick???
...trying to be polite... quick temper...trying to be...
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 17:22:11
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True indeed - no dongle for next SONAR. I don't like 'em any more than a lot of you do. I think an argument can be made for dongles posing occasional technical problems from a development standpoint (they are often created and controlled by 3rd parties). Not to mention I've had the rather painful life experience of once traveling a long distance and showing up to demo a product to a number of people and to my horror realizing that I had forgotten to pack the dongle. Show was over before it even began. 
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2008/09/07 17:23:22
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 17:43:19
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Brandon so cool. I and I am sure a whole bunch here thank you. Dongles are evil!
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 17:47:19
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Brandon so cool. I and I am sure a whole bunch here thank you. Dongles are evil!
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 17:51:21
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ORIGINAL: SteveStrummerUK
ORIGINAL: John
Brandon so cool. I and I am sure a whole bunch here thank you. Dongles are evil!
+666
@ John & Steve -  I thought you might feel that way.
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 17:54:57
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I don't think they think about clumsy or forgetful sods like me.. I have one , but have to be over careful not to stand on it etc etc. so it's another thing to worry about.. I had the experience of upgrading my laptops memory while away, and had to wait a day for my recycle cd to be sent from home, was either that or a 60 mile round trip .  oh well it was better than my ex-bank card getting swallowed by an ATM and having one of their staff accuse me of being an identity fraudster. The ironic part is that same bank sponsors a formula 1 driver... yet the ****'s wouldn't pay for my petrol/gas to get documents to prove I was the account holder.
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 18:13:30
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id say that a dongle is the last of the least argument pro or contra an application..... so far my logic dongle worked perfectly and my cubase dongle did - i dont mind no dongle either.... id say its about 20-40 percent more irrelevant.... ps: actually i lied: my logic dongle caused many problems - even kept the computer from rebooting properly or other weird stuff - but that was ages ago
post edited by info@tomflair.com - 2008/09/07 18:15:05
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 18:22:51
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id say that a dongle is the last of the least argument pro or contra an application.....
so far my logic dongle worked perfectly and my cubase dongle did - i dont mind no dongle either....
id say its about 20-40 percent more irrelevant....
ps: actually i lied: my logic dongle caused many problems - even kept the computer from rebooting properly or other weird stuff - but that was ages ago
And notice there is no more Logic dongle...(well other than the MAC itself).
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 18:45:08
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I never had a problem with dongles until last week. My Syncrosoft dongle has my Cubase, Nexus 2, and Rob Papen Blue 1.8 licenses on it. I ran the Cubase 4.5.1 update last week and, when it went to open, I got a message saying that the license was not found! I opened up the Syncrosoft License Control Central and it showed that there were no licenses on dongle! I went to the Cubase and Syncrosoft websites, posted the problem on their forums, tried their troubleshooting tips, etc., but nothing would bring them back. Yeah, I was a little irate. Then, I started wondering if they were actually there and maybe the dongle just needed to be "reminded", so I fired up Sonar, loaded up Nexus 2, and it worked! I opened the Syncrosoft License Control Central again and all of my licenses were there again. Sonar saved me from the dongle. True story. See for yourself: http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=103735 New slogan: Sonar - It'll Set Your Dongle Straight (pun intended)
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 18:46:50
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Man you are too dangerous that was too funny!
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 18:59:30
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cool - another dongle discussion! yes, CW, please use dongle protection and add 8 GIG storage on the stick + the ability to transport the app itself and project files on it.
--------------------------------------------- all crash on the louspeaker
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 19:47:21
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ps: actually i lied: my logic dongle caused many problems - even kept the computer from rebooting properly or other weird stuff - but that was ages ago But that's the point, at least as I see it... PC hardware is in a constant state of evolution, and with MS coming out with a new operating system every 18 months, the dongle is just one more piece to a very complicated puzzle. How better to solve a complicated puzzle than by just throwing pieces out?!
post edited by keith - 2008/09/07 19:50:25
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 19:49:04
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cool - another dongle discussion! yes, CW, please use dongle protection and add 8 GIG storage on the stick + the ability to transport the app itself and project files on it.
I thought we converted you 4 months ago?
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 19:57:22
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OK, Brandon, so how is Cakewalk going to fight piracy? I don't think the honor system is working.
post edited by daveny5 - 2008/09/07 22:05:02
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/07 21:10:37
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Brandon
what about the bugs in seven? You have said it was being looked into (you pm'ed me)--especially the clip mute problem where all the mute settings are lost when you delete unwanted clips in a comp track etc. Also the external insert sync?
The fee for another upgrade with new or the same problems isn't appealing. Not being crabby just looking for consistent quality.....
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SteveStrummerUK
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/08 13:21:47
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Aside from my Line 6 stuff, for which my TonePort [although an integral part of the set-up] is effectively the dongle, I've never used any software that has one.
Just out of interest, can anyone tell me if a dongle makes the software 100% unable to be pirated or just less likely than Cakewalk's serial number/authorization method?
Or maybe the question should be asked a slightly different way - would Cakewalk's software products be cheaper if there were no cracked copies, or legitimate software illegally being purchased second hand?
Steve
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/08 13:30:47
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I think companies should use whatever means that they need to protect their themselves from piracy. However, with my experience with them is that --
1- They are built with poor quality
2- 3rd parties are the dev's, they make the drivers
3- More juice in the USB (not much but still)
4- An awkward stick protruding from PC -- Very easy to snap off while moving (I have before)
5- "Oh Man, I can't record cuz I lost a 2 inch key" , cmon, how many people have moved and NOT lost anything? This is the main function of software.
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/08 13:38:16
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I`d like to see provable statistics from ANY of the major DAW software manufacturers that demonstrates a serious loss of revenue due to piracy.
If you discount all the morons with cracked versions of "everything there ever was", who were never potential customers in the first place, the number of actual, honest-to-goodness pirate users is likely to be vanishingly small in relation to the number of us who actually use Sonar & paid to do so.
Anyone who genuinely has a need for the software and actually begins using it seriously will end up buying it, just for the support & docs alone.
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/08 14:25:48
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Does anyone know if the new sonar 8 will require a dongle?
That's just stupid! Stop the silliness now.
post edited by stratcat33511 - 2008/09/08 14:26:42
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RE: Sonar 8 and dongle
2008/09/08 15:52:50
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My only experience with dongles is on my MOTU symphonic instruments - Which SOMETIMES works. I'll deal with it as I set up my new DAW
As far as piracy, I wish there was a global "hot-line" for that kinda stuff. There's a guy who advertises on craiglist in my neck of the woods (Balto-DC) who always has "refill" packs and other DAW software. I think what he means is that he has a CD burner. He usually gets flagged pretty fast, but I wish there was some sort of way to alert software vendors about that stuff. 'Course it would keep companies busy looking for pirates, and time=money.
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