Sonar 8.3 M-Audio FTU8r Slow Playback again!!!

So again this problem rear's it's ugly head and has put a halt to todays session of recording. I've had about enough of this at the moment as time is hard to find these days and we have loads to get on with.

I'm really not sure what the issue is. Sonar plays back some songs we have recorded at normal pace but with others it plays back slow, no change in settings, it just doesn't want to play ball.
I've disabled plugins and tried that way, but no biscuit there either. I've trashed the AUD.ini file i have no idea how many times but still no go.

Running windows 7 64bit
sonar 8.3 32bit
6gb ram i7 with oodles of harddrive space. Processing power is not an issue as we rarely push the system above 35% :)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

#1. Check and turn off any windows sounds.

I experience many times that suddenly a project plays back at 44100 because a sound was played back, and soundcard changed samplerate.

#2. Also check the source for playback. It might be the onboard soundcard etc.

#3. Best is to turn off onboard soundcards in bios.

#4. Might check that Sonar is the only allowed on audio when running.

thebiglongy


Ok, sample rate on m-audio device is 44100hz

The song when loaded in sonar at the bottom says 48

When I play back the track in sonar, it is slow.
Outside of sonar the individual wav files play back fine at 44 in winamp, but If i load the project in sonar it shows and loads as 48 and forces soundcard to use 48?

Windows sounds disabled in control panel.
Only Audio device showing is M-Audio FTU8r

that's the reason for your slow playback.  since your project is already recorded in 48kHz, it will be difficult to convert it.  I'd say for THIS project change the FTU8R to 48kHz to match the project.  then for the future, make sure your OPTIONS>AUDIO>SAMPLING RATE for future projects is set to 44100 instead of 48000 and that should resolve any future problems as long as the FTU stays at 44.1kHz.
 

Sonar only allowed on audio when recording???

I don't understand what you mean by that question.  you'll need to rephrase.

Perplexed isn't quite the word I would use.

Checking the file stats it says that it is 24/48 inside sonar and even if before I load sonar, i set the ftu8r to 48, it still plays back slow.

As said, if i'm individually checking the files outside of sonar, they require the soundcard to be set at 44.1 to play back at right pace, so why is sonar reverting to 24/48 and telling me these files are 48khz?

Is there a way to check the wav file outside sonar to find out what the bit depth and sample rate is?

thebiglongy


Ok, sample rate on m-audio device is 44100hz

The song when loaded in sonar at the bottom says 48

When I play back the track in sonar, it is slow.
Outside of sonar the individual wav files play back fine at 44 in winamp, but If i load the project in sonar it shows and loads as 48 and forces soundcard to use 48?

Windows sounds disabled in control panel.
Only Audio device showing is M-Audio FTU8r

Sonar only allowed on audio when recording???

There is a setting in Sonar that allows it exclusively to use soundcard. Device is open that way and no other audiostuff in computer can be run, and should not be run when Sonar is running.

The other way if not exclusive, when making another program active, and Sonar in background, Sonar should leave soundcard and let other apps use it.

It might not be absolutely necessary to have it exclusive, it is just a way to test whether something runs better.

You should not have to adjust project to 44.1, Sonar should tell soundcard to run at 48. I have not seen a soundcard that does not support 48, but I have actually seen soundcards that only support 48 and not 44(Creative).

Something seems to disturb soundcard to run at 48 from Sonar. don't run winamp or anything while Sonar is running, not even a browser.

But how come your wav-files are 44, have you imported these?
Sonar should make a conversion to 48 when loaded if that is the case, when project is different from imported files.
But it could be that it's only kept in memory and original file format is kept.

Have you really recorded at 48, or changed that afterwords(if you can do that, I don't know)?
I mean, you can export to 44 if project is 48, but recorded tracks should be stored as project setting.

There is a setting for what format to store files in Sonar as well, check that out.
There might be a bug, if set to 44 there, Sonar might mark files as 48 which is project.

Setting device for sync on playback and recording, are they the same?
If you load the files for individual tracks from disk into another audioeditor, what does it say about properties in these files?

The graphics cards also have settings for HD audio nowadays. I disabled the HD Audio devices on the graphics card to be sure it never interferes with music audiocard. It's no use to uninstall them, they will install again at next boot. Weard behavior.

Just another idea....

Don't forget that some other devices connected through USB emulate audio devices. This includes some keyboards through usb(if having soundcard too) and line6 stuff too like POD's.

There was this guy on forum 6 month ago or so that had something similar with playback speed and he had to patch the header in the wav-files to get it play correct speed. But I don't remember details now.

Really odd....

thebiglongy



Another issue i've noticed is that I'm unable to get midi input in BFD2 when the sample rate inside is switched to anything other than 44.1 or 88.2 So i'm on a hunt to resolve this.

that's very likely because of a limitation with BFD.  not all softsynths work with all sampling rates.

Cheers Beagle/JonnyV

Yea tried a reboot yesterday, sonar/ soundcard/ pc ... no biscuit. I thought it was not suggested to select the "Share drivers with other programs" box?

As you mention Johnny, right clicking in winamp does give me the info, but for somereason it wasn't playing back properly at 48 as it said it should be.
Yup project shows 48 also.....it's sorted for now it seems, but I'm hoping I can work this out lol.

Will try Sharing drivers to see if that helps at all.

Beagle, it turns out the samples are recorded at 44.1 but the software should work at all sample rates (only difference being is that it upsamples for higher rates requiring more cpu usage) but I'm unable to get it to work at anything other than 44.1 and 88.2

Not a problem Beagle, appreciate the input :) The sooner I can get this lot running the better.
I think for the time being I'm going to look into recording the drums in via the 8r's 8 inputs simulatainiously and get back to the oldskool ways lol....damn technology!!