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2018/11/12 17:20:35 (permalink)

Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3?

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Haven't been able to find anything on this myself so I need to ask, is there a way to do cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3?
If not, how about the other soft synths included in Sonar 8.5 Producer?
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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/12 17:28:03 (permalink)
Midi velocity adjust. 8.5? 

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/12 19:21:20 (permalink)
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Midi velocity adjust. 8.5? 




Good idea but I've tried it, It sounds like a machine gun.
To be honest unless you are doing very low velocity swells, it sounds very mechanical and unnatural.
The only way I know of is find some swell samples or do what I do.. use real cymbals. I know this isn't always practical or available but even though technology is well advanced..some things still cant be faked.
 

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/12 19:26:06 (permalink)
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Midi velocity adjust. 8.5? 




Good idea but I've tried it, It sounds like a machine gun.
To be honest unless you are doing very low velocity swells, it sounds very mechanical and unnatural.
The only way I know of is find some swell samples or do what I do.. use real cymbals. I know this isn't always practical or available but even though technology is well advanced..some things still cant be faked.
 


The only reason it sounds like a machine gun is because the sample is getting cut off when the next one is played.
 
Alternating between two samples sounds much better, or just use a sample player that re-triggers the sample without cutting out the existing one.
 

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/12 19:39:59 (permalink)
You can get it programmed to sound more or less realistic if you think about how a drummer would do it.
 
Alternating left/right hits each one of which ramps up but it would be a very unusual drummer who would hit each pair of notes at exactly the same velocity, so try programming 2 different parallel "ramps", one of which would have an average velocity to the other.

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/13 12:37:49 (permalink)
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Midi velocity adjust. 8.5? 




Good idea but I've tried it, It sounds like a machine gun.
To be honest unless you are doing very low velocity swells, it sounds very mechanical and unnatural.
The only way I know of is find some swell samples or do what I do.. use real cymbals. I know this isn't always practical or available but even though technology is well advanced..some things still cant be faked.
 


The only reason it sounds like a machine gun is because the sample is getting cut off when the next one is played.
 
Alternating between two samples sounds much better, or just use a sample player that re-triggers the sample without cutting out the existing one.
 




I don't see the problem as notes being cut off/choked, It's more the continuous hits, which sounds to mechanical (machine gun).
Alternating between samples does sound like a good idea though. I've just never had good luck with it, except very low velocity hits.

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/13 14:11:57 (permalink)
The problem is that you can’t adjust the ADSR envelope of the cymbal in Session Drummer 3. If you’ve had for instance Addictive Drums, you could have extended the Attack value to smooth things out as shown in this two minute video.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsxvylW4c5o
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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/13 21:44:14 (permalink)
Cymbal swells are performed by hitting the edge of the cymbal with the center-side of the stick resulting in a dull tone, moving up to the tip as the swell gets louder and brighter.
 
As already stated, multiple samples in round-robin mode help realism.
 
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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/13 22:07:09 (permalink)
BFD3 has a specific feature for this which works well for me, without the need for fidgety programming. 

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/13 23:05:17 (permalink)
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The problem is that you can’t adjust the ADSR envelope of the cymbal in Session Drummer 3. If you’ve had for instance Addictive Drums, you could have extended the Attack value to smooth things out as shown in this two minute video.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsxvylW4c5o


Thanks a lot Canopus for the video link above!
 
I tested it tonight and wow, it sounds indeed realistic. With some fine tuning I might use it within the replacement of an old, bad drum recording. The swells were the only thing that made me agonize!

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Re: Sonar 8.5: Cymbal swells/rolls in Session Drummer 3? 2018/11/13 23:29:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/11/14 13:38:25
I googled "cymbal rolls sf2" and some free options (wav, sf2) came up.
 
Probably easiest to just drag the wav files into Sonar.

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