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2012/05/10 13:55:13 (permalink)

Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness

Hi, I had someone create a MIDI file of a song, and he put all the drums on one track. As I've always done over the years, I used the CAL program to split the drums all to separate tracks.
 
I used to output drums to an Alesis D4 synth and never had problems, but now I use Battery 3 and all was well until now.
 
I'm simply trying to solo each drum part in Sonar 8.5 so I can adjust the volume, panning, effects in Battery, but I'm hearing the entire drum kit while I'm soloing, say, just the kick drum.
 
I check to see that the kick drum was all by itself in Piano Roll view, and yes, it's there all by itself. Fine. And the same with the snare, in piano roll view it's there all by itself. Same with the rest of the drum tracks.
But when I try to solo the Kick, snare or any other track in Sonar so I can mix the volume levels in Battery 3, I hear the entire drum kit. I'm worried there's some phasing going on as I hear some weirdness when the whole track is playing back, and I suspect that means every drum sound is playing back on top of itself.
 
Sorry for this basic question as I'm sure it's just a simple routing problem, but I'm old school hardware synths and still haven't gotten totally comfortable with all of these plugs in.
 
If someone is willing to help with this track, I'd be happy to email the file if the cost is reasonable.
 
Thanks.

  
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 09:57:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
What about the routing in Battery? Each part can have its own channel output. Cell (tab) - Output.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 17:13:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Jerry,

I will send you an Email in a few minutes with a Battery drums template that you can open in SONAR, and also a screenshot that contains some instructions.

I hope that will clear some things up for you.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 17:33:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I rout Battery drums in Battery and create as many audio tracks as needed.
I keep all the tracks in the Battery folder and I have never had any problems.
I have no idea why you want to split the midi into separate tracks, sounds like a waste of time to me.
post edited by Chris S - 2012/05/11 17:51:56

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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 17:55:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
This is how I do it: http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2482/batterysetup.gif Anyone else got something to add?
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 18:05:24 (permalink)
Jerry,

just send you an email to the address provided on your website.

Regards
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 18:13:00 (permalink)
That's all he's missing. He probably has everything going through the same channel in battery instead of various parts going to their own channel. This video is on Mac in Ableton but shows the same sort of thing from 4:50 onwards http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4d9rqt5iQI

Not the ideal video but kind of shows it.
post edited by strikinglyhandsome1 - 2012/05/11 18:16:34
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/11 18:14:53 (permalink)
@ Chris S:
Sounds exactly like the approach I'm using, too.
I have all the drum elements contained in a single MIDI file, but I can still access each drum element individually, cause I have an audio track for each.
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 08:28:48 (permalink)
Thanks Chris. Yes, I hate wasting time. I started splitting drum tracks with the CAL program in 1991, when I used hardware synths. I only recently started with plug in synths and didn't know an alternative. You only know what you know until you learn something new. Which is what I'm doing now.

  
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 08:30:33 (permalink)
Thanks, I just got it and am looking forward to setting it up. Will report back.

  
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 08:31:58 (permalink)
Great video. Thanks!

  
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 11:44:58 (permalink)
Keep asking. It's a good way to learn. There's quite a few videos for Battery including NIs own on Youtube (ProVideoTuts has them all).
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 11:56:52 (permalink)
Thanks again. One more thing.
 
I have three horns going to a Bus and can't figure out how to make a volume envelope for them on the actual bus. I can do it for each horns seperate audio track, but was wondering if I can do it on a bus?
 
Also, I have a volume envelope on a lead guitar track, and all I want to do is move the entire volume envelope up or down, without changing the node adjustments in the envelope, but can't seem to find any info on that either. I've accidentally chosen it before like that, but can't make it happen on purpose now.
 
Sorry if I missed the answers somewhere here.
 
 

  
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 12:11:26 (permalink)
Using a "master envelope" on an bus, hmm? Actually, very good question. I don't know how to do it myself.

Maybe something here helps:

http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6834

http://homerecording.com/bbs/user-forums-brand/cakewalk-sonar-forum/group-envelope-27445/
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 12:32:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
There you go, Jerry.

I've uploaded this screenshot from guitarampmodeling.com (it was only visible for registered users):

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7159/sonarenvelope.jpg

As you can see in the pic you have to select the desired bus, right-click on its empty track and select "Envelopes".
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/12 12:45:08 (permalink)
P.S.: In case this isn't self-explanatory, if you want to add envelope anchor points to the bus within a selection, you first have to select that area on the track(s) containing the source material, as the bus itself is empty.
post edited by Ace.trouble - 2012/05/12 12:46:17
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Re:Sonar 8.5 and Battery drum routing weirdness 2012/05/13 19:38:43 (permalink)
Thank you everyone, for all of your help. I was tempted to go with Session Drummer 3, but was put off by the routing that I had to do to simply get reverb on a snare drum, which I find easy in Battery 3. Overall, I think Battery 3 may be more expansive and flexible, even though Cakewalk tech support told me that it was a resource hog or something to that effect (strains the system). Thanks again.
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