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Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
Hi everyone, Whilst I do think that Cakewalk have pulled out all the stops with X3 - and maybe this is a timely product to coincide with the Gibson buyout - as a user of 8.5, with Zeta and AD and a host of plugins that I actually know how to use and am comfortable with...is there any point in upgrading to full X3 Producer? After reading the comparisons I am not sure I wouldn't be as well off buying X3 basic and just importing my plugins and instruments? It's hard here in the UK as there do not seem to be many dealers who actually have the product just yet. Any advice would be welcomed. Jim
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/07 14:03:53
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If you have a copy of Sonar LE somewhere, you might want to register that and use the LE to upgrade to X3 basic instead of using your 8.5 Pro for the upgrade. This way, you can still upgrade your 8.5 Pro to current or future Pro version. You get better upgrade price this way. I'm leaving the plugins out - you're aware X3 Pro comes with many full versions (Dim Pro, Rapture, etc) that needs to be upgraded in prior Pro version. Going X3 basic will lose the SMPTE/MTC and Surround mixing features. Pro Channel - since 8.5 Pro don't have it.. not having it may not effect your work flow, if you already have your personal channel strip preference. On the other hand, having the Pro Channel may enhance your work flow - X3 Pro includes all the modules (produced by Cakewalk) that we have to buy in X1 / X2. ...Melodyne Essential is included in Studio / Pro, missing in X3 basic.
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goodseed
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/07 16:33:08
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@toximornot - many thanks. Particularly the first two paras were very sensible and useful points. I didn't know that X3 basic didn't have the pro channel thing, which was the only addition I ever really thought was great about X2, and why I stuck with 8.5. I don't know....I see that X3b is already out......hang it all, with Christmas coming up, what the hell! Instead of wasting my energy trying to see a way of saving £100 or so, I could be enjoying the new, clean X3 in all its glory......
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/07 19:30:45
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If you can afford X-3 Pro, Go for it!!
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/07 20:19:40
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you will miss out on the pro-channel with the basic version.. and the extra included plugs are well worth it.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/07 20:58:05
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Questions like this are difficult for me because I always buy the Producer for what it has with it and in it. That may not mean anything to someone else. So it depends on what you want. I really think that as far as value is concerned the Producer version represents the best value.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/07 21:05:16
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If you use or are interested in other daws too then maybe the basic version. You can upgrade to Producer later if you want during an upgrade sale.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 05:49:23
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 10:25:46
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Bristol Jones...WOW!!!! Thanks for the link. Will do right now! To John and JLien - thanks, and I understand what you said. It's just that when you have carefully invested in software and have many of the plugins that are being bundled with new versions (melodyne and AD for example), I was just weighing up the pros and cons of automatically going for the Producer version. Cheers. Jim
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:04:54
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Not sure if this is even still possible, but if there are still any offers for the "buy X2 and get X3 upgrade free" deals floating around that would also land you a few things not included in X3 like V-Vocal and R-mix
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:09:35
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2013/10/08 13:38:50
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:27:52
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Most of the value of the X series is the Prochannel IMO. If you are on the fence about Producer don't get the basic X3 version (no Prochannel) look at X3 Studio. If you already have all the instruments and plugs you need then Producer doesn't add that much in comparison to Studio. But really... You want the Prochannel. Also studio comes with Melodyne as well. You just lose two new PC modules (the Flyout Quad Curve which is cool but unnecessary and the Tape Sim which again isn't really necessary). The rest is the Nomad plugs which you probably already have covered and Addictive Drums which is nice but if you already have a high end drum sequencer isn't required and I'm pretty sure Studio comes with Session Drummer which is pretty usable on its own for most people's needs. Disclosure: I do not own X3. Just been looking at the options.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:30:17
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Studio will also not run plug-ins locked to the Producer series.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:32:59
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The only thing I would add is that Producer puts you in a better position for future upgrades.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:39:59
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scook Studio will also not run plug-ins locked to the Producer series.
Hmm... Like the third party stuff or Cakewalk plugs? I know they said that our PC modules would work. This is definitely something that needs to be factor in to my equations. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:40:08
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scook, thanks for posting that. I was hoping that maybe there was one that let you upgrade to X2 and get X3 free. Oh well. makes me glad I had X2. R-mix has become very useful to me
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:42:08
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Oh... huh. If R-Mix didn't work in X3 Studio that would be a major problem. If that's the case I would definitely have to take a pass.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2013/10/08 14:07:17
Beepster Oh... huh. If R-Mix didn't work in X3 Studio that would be a major problem. If that's the case I would definitely have to take a pass.
R-Mix works in my X3 basic. It also picks up all the Boutique and Engineering Suite items (that existed in my X1 / X2 Pro).
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 13:53:33
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2013/10/08 14:07:10
Interesting that is not what CW staff have written. They suggest R-Mix was locked to Producer.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 14:02:13
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tomixornot
Beepster Oh... huh. If R-Mix didn't work in X3 Studio that would be a major problem. If that's the case I would definitely have to take a pass.
R-Mix works in my X3 basic. It also picks up all the Boutique and Engineering Suite items (that existed in my X1 / X2 Pro).
scook Interesting that is not what CW staff have written.
Huh... These two posts are in conflict with each other. If you're correct though, scook, Studio is definitely out of the question for me. It's like they are actively trying to make guys like me not upgrade. I will definitely have to give Cake a good long call to verify exactly what can and cannot be done with Studio before any final decisions are made. Again thank you for bringing this potential problem to my attention. Cheers.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 14:06:13
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scook Interesting that is not what CW staff have written. They suggest R-Mix was locked to Producer.
Do you happen to have a link to where they said this? It might be a situation where their own internal communications got crossed. I've found their marketing and public statements to be a little disorganized and confusing at times. Perhaps one of them will pop in to clarify.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 14:14:27
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It was a staffer on the forum. I did not save the link. If you don't mind a link to kvr, Andrew Rossa mentions it here near the bottom of the page. I would suggest that if someone actually reports that it works, that would take precedence, however; that might be corrected in a future update if it was an oversight.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 14:14:40
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I think there is nothing wrong here, since I've still got my X1 / X2 Pro still installed, and the new X3 basic picks up the vsts. I would be very disappointed if it doesn't.
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Re: Sonar 8.5 producer user with Z3TA and AD - should I just buy X3 basic?
2013/10/08 14:23:06
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Thanks for the info guys. Appreciated as always. :-)
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