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Sonar And Tascam?
Was just reading Craig's Visiting the Mother Ship thread and near the end Noel chimes in about X4 and then someone mention the re-naming of Sonar once Tascam kicks in.
Out of curiosity I just went to the Tascam web site and looked at all the offerings they have for interfaces.
What I find strange is you'll still see this in the description for each product.
included with the US-2000 is a copy of Cubase LE5 from Steinberg.
Why are they not including Sonar LE ? just wondering?
PS- I hope Tascam get's the Cakewalk programmers to lend a hand with some new drivers.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 12:17:11
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That'll change soon. Especially once people learn that Sonar X3 is as good as any other DAW on the market.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:03:30
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I just hope that Cakewalk software and Tascam hardware don't become so tightly integrated that the rest of us (non-Tascam owners) become second-class citizens over here.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:16:58
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I would imagine they still have (had?) a license deal w/ steiny. And Cakewalk will not tie its software to Tascam only - that would be silly. I do look to see some cooperative ventures - future Tascam hardware will come w/ Cake software and there will likely be controllers/interfaces much like Roland. But if Roland couldn't tie Cake to their hardware, why would Tascam? Win/win, not win/lose.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:21:52
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Cactus Music
Was just reading Craig's Visiting the Mother Ship thread and near the end Noel chimes in about X4 and then someone mention the re-naming of Sonar once Tascam kicks in.
Out of curiosity I just went to the Tascam web site and looked at all the offerings they have for interfaces.
What I find strange is you'll still see this in the description for each product.
included with the US-2000 is a copy of Cubase LE5 from Steinberg.
Why are they not including Sonar LE ? just wondering?
Have no fear, they will be. Craig
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:23:06
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SvenArne
I just hope that Cakewalk software and Tascam hardware don't become so tightly integrated that the rest of us (non-Tascam owners) become second-class citizens over here.
No worries about that, either. This isn't Avid 
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:23:27
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AT
Cakewalk will not tie its software to Tascam only - that would be silly
Yes, but I'd still be annoyed if future SONAR versions added a lot of features that were exclusive to a new range of Tascam interfaces/controllers.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:25:37
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With every Anderton post comes a nice dose of reassurance. Glad it's you representing The Man, Craig!
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:36:52
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Cactus Music
Was just reading Craig's Visiting the Mother Ship thread and near the end Noel chimes in about X4 and then someone mention the re-naming of Sonar once Tascam kicks in.
Out of curiosity I just went to the Tascam web site and looked at all the offerings they have for interfaces.
What I find strange is you'll still see this in the description for each product.
included with the US-2000 is a copy of Cubase LE5 from Steinberg.
Why are they not including Sonar LE ? just wondering?
PS- I hope Tascam get's the Cakewalk programmers to lend a hand with some new drivers.
We've started shipping TASCAM products with SONAR X3 LE. More to come.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:45:28
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I am happy guy, everything seems to be coming at me!!!
Running a very smooth system here with X3d and Tascam DM-4800.
I wish Tascam made a new similar desk but with track displays like sonar and a few nobs for controlling plugins…specially for sonar!!! (i.e. PC etc).
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:48:16
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SvenArne
AT
Cakewalk will not tie its software to Tascam only - that would be silly
Yes, but I'd still be annoyed if future SONAR versions added a lot of features that were exclusive to a new range of Tascam interfaces/controllers.
Well, I do hope we can add some features that take advantage of being able to partner with TASCAM. But I tend to think they would just make the workflow that much better, not do something like tie Sonar to the interface as a primitive form of copy protection.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:49:54
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SvenArne
With every Anderton post comes a nice dose of reassurance. Glad it's you representing The Man, Craig!
Thanks, but really, I don't speak for Cakewalk...I just know what's going on there to a greater degree than before, and am happy to chime in. I figure if I can save the Bakers time in responding, that's more time for them to work on their software. If "the man" refers to Gibson, keep in mind that we acquired the company because we really appreciate what Cakewalk is doing (remember, Henry J is a hardcore Sonar user) and felt that by partnering with them, they could take things even further. We have not been disappointed, to say the least.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 14:59:30
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By "The Man" I mean Gibson, who dictates the nature and extent of the "synergy" between your subsidiary brands!
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 15:05:05
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SvenArne
With every Anderton post comes a nice dose of reassurance. Glad it's you representing The Man, Craig!
Thanks, but really, I don't speak for Cakewalk...I just know what's going on there to a greater degree than before, and am happy to chime in. I figure if I can save the Bakers time in responding, that's more time for them to work on their software.
If "the man" refers to Gibson, keep in mind that we acquired the company because we really appreciate what Cakewalk is doing (remember, Henry J is a hardcore Sonar user) and felt that by partnering with them, they could take things even further. We have not been disappointed, to say the least.
All great to hear, but shouldn't you be somewhere else right now.... ? Berklee says GMT - 4 = 4pm EST. My clock says GMT 8:05 !
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 15:08:51
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☄ Helpfulby hockeyjx 2014/04/02 10:49:32
Craig,
Please get Tascam to revive driver development for the FW-1884 (and it's ilk).
Heck, get them to start building the thing again (especially the expander).
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 15:17:24
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
We've started shipping TASCAM products with SONAR X3 LE. More to come.
So if someone buy Sonar X3 LE they get Tascam hardware? ;)
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 15:20:36
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WDI
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
We've started shipping TASCAM products with SONAR X3 LE. More to come.
So if someone buy Sonar X3 LE they get Tascam hardware?
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 15:25:01
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Go back and review all the panicked threads after Roland acquired a majority share of Cakewalk. Do a mental search-and-replace, substituting "TASCAM" for "Roland".
That relationship lived up to neither the optimistic nor pessimistic forecasts. All we got out of that deal was R-Mix, which nobody ever figured out and only lasted through one SONAR version.
Also, consider that before SONAR could be adapted to any TASCAM-specific features, TASCAM products would have to first have some unique proprietary features.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 16:19:28
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Thanks Andrew and Craig for the update. That will be good news for future Tascam customers.
And do not underestimate the value of including the LE version of software with any hardware.
Because my Tascam us1641 , now in mothballs, came with Cubase 5LE, I became a Cubase user, and a potential upgrader. I still find it usefull for opening MIDI files that Sonar refuses to show the PG change info for. I recorded 2 songs with it but being LE version it is no competition for my Sonar Producer and Studio versions. I think the full version would be just fine for me,, but-- I just plain hate Stienbergs registration process and web site.
And all you folks that bad mouth Tascam products, I wonder if you have actually owned them. I have owned lots of Tascam gear and for the price point it has been top notch gear. I think that must have been Tascam's earliest mission -To make recording affordable. Unlike the "B" stuff that breaks well before it's time , Tascam gear seems to go forever.
But we do know they have had driver issues but this is a software, not a hardware problem. They just plain hired the wrong people to write the code. But that said, might be that there's no problem if you use a Mac.
They have improved the drivers for my interface and it was working smoothly, but I do notice a improvement with running Sonar and the Focusrite Scarlett 6i6. The hardware is about the same, it's just the drivers. If Tascam can deal with the driver issue they will sell like crazy.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 16:28:56
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Cactus Music
Thanks Andrew and Craig for the update. That will be good news for future Tascam customers.
And do not underestimate the value of including the LE version of software with any hardware.
Because my Tascam us1641 , now in mothballs, came with Cubase 5LE, I became a Cubase user, and a potential upgrader. I still find it usefull for opening MIDI files that Sonar refuses to show the PG change info for. I recorded 2 songs with it but being LE version it is no competition for my Sonar Producer and Studio versions. I think the full version would be just fine for me,, but-- I just plain hate Stienbergs registration process and web site.
And all you folks that bad mouth Tascam products, I wonder if you have actually owned them. I have owned lots of Tascam gear and for the price point it has been top notch gear. I think that must have been Tascam's earliest mission -To make recording affordable. Unlike the "B" stuff that breaks well before it's time , Tascam gear seems to go forever.
But we do know they have had driver issues but this is a software, not a hardware problem. They just plain hired the wrong people to write the code. But that said, might be that there's no problem if you use a Mac.
They have improved the drivers for my interface and it was working smoothly, but I do notice a improvement with running Sonar and the Focusrite Scarlett 6i6. The hardware is about the same, it's just the drivers. If Tascam can deal with the driver issue they will sell like crazy.
Who's bad mouthing what? And underestimating LE?
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 16:31:21
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
We've started shipping TASCAM products with SONAR X3 LE. More to come.
WDI
So if someone buy Sonar X3 LE they get Tascam hardware?
;)
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 18:55:55
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I have owned/used a lot of Tascam stuff over the years. Always swore by it (As opposed to "at it" ha ha!) Then, I bought a brand new US2400 control surface, only to soon thereafter, have it completely orphaned by Tascam. That was the last piece of Tascam gear I ever bought. Really upset me that they would just leave all their customers hanging like that. No more support, no more development for the product. Really shook my confidence in them.
Now, to be fair.... I do still have the US 2400 and, I use it all the time. It still does what it has always done and does that well. The problem here is, they never finished developing the thing. It does all the basic stuff fine (volume, pan, mute, solo, transport) but, they left a lot of potential for further updates/support untapped.
Having said all that, if they came out with a reasonably priced, 16 input interface, that worked great with Sonar (Sort of like a 16 input version of my Echo Audiofire 12), I'd be all over it!!!!! Ha ha!
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 19:13:07
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SvenArne
By "The Man" I mean Gibson, who dictates the nature and extent of the "synergy" between your subsidiary brands!
You might be surprised how much autonomy the various brands have. Of course, Gibson forced me to work with Cakewalk, but they don't seem to mind too much
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 19:57:42
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Anderton
SvenArne
By "The Man" I mean Gibson, who dictates the nature and extent of the "synergy" between your subsidiary brands!
You might be surprised how much autonomy the various brands have. Of course, Gibson forced me to work with Cakewalk, but they don't seem to mind too much
Not at all :)
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 20:01:09
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bitflipper
Go back and review all the panicked threads after Roland acquired a majority share of Cakewalk. Do a mental search-and-replace, substituting "TASCAM" for "Roland".
That relationship lived up to neither the optimistic nor pessimistic forecasts. All we got out of that deal was R-Mix, which nobody ever figured out and only lasted through one SONAR version.
Also, consider that before SONAR could be adapted to any TASCAM-specific features, TASCAM products would have to first have some unique proprietary features.
Just to be clear, Cakewalk was acquired by Gibson. We are now part of Gibson Brands and are working closely with all their brands. There is obvious synergy with TASCAM but it won't be limited to just TASCAM.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 20:54:44
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bapu
Craig,
Please get Tascam to revive driver development for the FW-1884 (and it's ilk).
Heck, get them to start building the thing again (especially the expander).
as of almost a year ago, i was using Tascam interfaces (us-122, us-122l, us-144) that of course ran great in 32 bit mode, but once i switched to 64 bit and used the latter 2 devices for several months, i had to swear off of them because of how horrible the 64 bit drivers were for the us-122l & us-144. when i contacted tech support, the guy told me that my problem didn't exist (i was getting reverberating "crickets" noises, among other things, every session, every 20-30 minutes that could only be solved by closing Sonar & unplugging the usb cable) and that they would not be updating the 64 bit drivers for the us-122l and us-144. that day, i ordered a Roland Quad Capture (love it)
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 21:49:03
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☄ Helpfulby hockeyjx 2014/04/02 10:50:57
I certainly would not criticize the Tascam hardware I have used. I have used the FW-1884 flawlessly for many years. It is a superb design.
My disappointment, shared by many on this forum, is with the drivers. The driver for this (and a few other similar firewire devices) is actually written by Frontier Design, but is released by Tascam. In the case of Windows 7 64-bit and SONAR, we had to wait a year for this driver, only to discover that Frontier Design basically had it all along. Right after that, Tascam posted on the product website that there would be no more support for this unit.
We know, from the Tascam Users Forum (Tascam itself has no user forum; this one is run by the users) that the FW-1884 can be made to run under Windows 8.1. We also know that Microsoft made some changes in Windows 8 that makes that installation quite difficult, involving unsigned drivers and legacy drivers.
Please, Cakewalk, Gibson, anybody: for all the users of SONAR who use this gear that is still fine, the FW-1884 and 1082, ask Tascam what can be done to make the transition to Windows 8.1 more seamless. It should not be that difficult, because it can work. For all we know, Frontier Design may again already have the driver we need. This is the only hardware that is preventing me from moving to Windows 8.1. I am willing to help organize users and, speaking for myself, am willing to pay for the updated drivers.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 22:58:07
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bitflipper
Go back and review all the panicked threads after Roland acquired a majority share of Cakewalk. Do a mental search-and-replace, substituting "TASCAM" for "Roland".
That relationship lived up to neither the optimistic nor pessimistic forecasts. All we got out of that deal was R-Mix, which nobody ever figured out and only lasted through one SONAR version.
Also, consider that before SONAR could be adapted to any TASCAM-specific features, TASCAM products would have to first have some unique proprietary features.
Well, we did get Roland's V-Vocal as well, but now that's on the way out. I'm a believer that it's never a bad thing for a company as small as Cakewalk to have an affiliation with a wide world big box digital / hardware / instrument manufacturer, as long as it's a good fit, and Cakewalk remains free to develop it's best DAW software. I have owned Tascam hardware for over twenty years, and had few problems. It will be interesting to see if the hardware and software aspects at play with this merger will be fruitful for us all ? I will be curious to see if they develop hardware devices for the bigtime console studios, or for smaller studios such as mine. It seems from the traditions of past Tascam developments they have always catered to both.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 23:34:48
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So to highlight what we now know is Tascam interfaces will ship with Sonar Software someday, and possibly soon.
But thinking about the Tascam driver issue, I don't think the boys who bake the Cake write the drivers for the Roland Interfaces do they? And those drivers ( Roland) are not much better than Tascam's when you look at the mixed results people get. Pour RTL etc.
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Re: Sonar And Tascam?
2014/03/31 23:34:48
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So to highlight what we now know is Tascam interfaces will ship with Sonar Software someday, and possibly soon.
But thinking about the Tascam driver issue, I don't think the boys who bake the Cake write the drivers for the Roland Interfaces do they? And those drivers ( Roland) are not much better than Tascam's when you look at the mixed results people get. Pour RTL etc.
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