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Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
Can anyone explain to me the rationale behind adding a single envelope node to every track envelope every time the Split Tool is used?
This is a major annoyance in my workflow and in my opinion should be an option. The only way I could see this behaviour being useful is if the Cut Tool inserted two nodes instead of one.
I am constantly repairing my envelopes after being mutilated by the Cut Tool!
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 13:48:13
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 13:54:44
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Currently using Producer X2 but this has been the behavior ever since I started using Sonar Home Edition (3 or 4).
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 13:59:28
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I must confess I would never split a clip after I used automation.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:03:20
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Just because it isn't in your workflow doesn't mean it isn't a valid one. I do mostly live recordings and minor edits after application of envelopes is par for the course for me.
This is irrelevant to the question though - why change the envelope when splitting clips. This also includes moving selections where implicit cuts are done.
This behavior is just silly.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:11:01
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Without trying to sound obtuse, what difference does it make?
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:17:05
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Bristol_Jonesey
Without trying to sound obtuse, what difference does it make?
with out trying to sound like a knob, I had to go look up "obtuse" cool word bj
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:24:35
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Beyond the fact that it looks messy to my slightly OCD mind, it breaks the envelope. If I want to change my envelope I change it. If I am cutting a clip then it should have no effect whatsoever to *track* envelopes.
Am I making sense? All the current functionality does is force me to remove the auto-added nodes. Track envelopes are track attributes, not clip attributes.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:42:17
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sea_ferring
Just because it isn't in your workflow doesn't mean it isn't a valid one. I do mostly live recordings and minor edits after application of envelopes is par for the course for me.
This is irrelevant to the question though - why change the envelope when splitting clips. This also includes moving selections where implicit cuts are done.
This behavior is just silly.
That was not the point of my post. I was trying to convey the fact that I would never see this "problem". But now that you bring it up why not change your work flow?
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:46:51
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If it made sense to change my workflow then perhaps I would, but an advanced tool like Sonar should not dictate workflow.
My point as made above is that modifying *track* envelopes on an action that is in clip scope does not make sense.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 14:49:14
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Beyond the fact that it looks messy to my slightly OCD mind, it breaks the envelope. If I want to change my envelope I change it. If I am cutting a clip then it should have no effect whatsoever to *track* envelopes.
Am I making sense? All the current functionality does is force me to remove the auto-added nodes. Track envelopes are track attributes, not clip attributes.
It doesn't "break" the functioning of the envelope though, it just looks messy. There is absolutely zero need to delete nodes that aren't being used.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 15:06:10
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Can anyone explain to me the rationale behind adding a single envelope node to every track envelope every time the Split Tool is used?
This is a major annoyance in my workflow and in my opinion should be an option. The only way I could see this behaviour being useful is if the Cut Tool inserted two nodes instead of one.
I am constantly repairing my envelopes after being mutilated by the Cut Tool!
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I don't see the node being added unless I drag move the clip. Anyway adding a node does nothing to an envelope. sea_ferring
Just because it isn't in your workflow doesn't mean it isn't a valid one. I do mostly live recordings and minor edits after application of envelopes is par for the course for me.
This is irrelevant to the question though - why change the envelope when splitting clips. This also includes moving selections where implicit cuts are done.
This behavior is just silly.
What you want to do is move via cut and paste and the envelope will be left intact.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 15:33:07
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I don't have X2 so just throwing this out there and guessing. Isn't there an option to select envelops with clips. What happens if you turn this off?
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 16:49:25
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Bristol_Jonesey
It doesn't "break" the functioning of the envelope though, it just looks messy. There is absolutely zero need to delete nodes that aren't being used.
If a node is added to my envelope then that envelope (the line representing the envelope) is broken and the functionality of that envelope (when I raise or lower that envelope for example) is changed, and the only way to restore the original functionality is to remove that node.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 16:54:23
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Yes, you're absolutely right.
I just tested it and when it's switched on, any envelope gets dragged to wherever the clip goes. Switched off, the envelopes stay put with no additional nodes created.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 16:54:44
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WDI
I don't have X2 so just throwing this out there and guessing. Isn't there an option to select envelops with clips. What happens if you turn this off?
Interesting thought. If the option exists then I cant find it. It certainly seems like what I am looking for.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 16:55:49
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Bristol_Jonesey
Yes, you're absolutely right.
I just tested it and when it's switched on, any envelope gets dragged to wherever the clip goes. Switched off, the envelopes stay put with no additional nodes created.
Awesome. Can you explain where the option is? I am plain missing it.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 17:01:10
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More testing and I take back my indignation:
Sometimes the nodes are not created when I use the cut tool. This means that there is some kind of selection happening in the cases where I see nodes being created. There is a state or selection mode that I am missing.
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 17:04:03
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Re: Sonar Annoyance: Split Tool and Envelopes
2013/06/25 17:05:55
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garrigus
Choose Edit > Select > Select Track Envelopes with Clips from SONAR's main menu.
Many many thanks!
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