Telomir
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Sonar Artist Latency Issue
Hi,
I am a new member to the Cakewalk community. Although I have some experience using a very old version of Cakewalk, I am just now getting back into composing. I have run into a problem.
I have read various forums and help topics related to the latency issue when playing midi keyboard during recording. Let me first list my system:
Core I7 2600
Intel DZ68BC motherboard
16gb DDR3
Solid state drives.
SoundBlaster ZX
GTX 670
M-Audio Midisport 1x1 USB connected to Yamaha PSR-270.... I know I know.. get a real synth.....
I just installed Sonar Artist, and the Rapture Session. Rapture session works great when sampling the different presets. I have my keyboard connected and sound response is immediate when keys are pressed.. However when I go into sonar to try and record anything with the keyboard there is an annoying delay from the time the key is struck to the time you hear it from the computer.
In other informative posts including Cakewalk help.. In the ASIO control panel I have already lowered the buffer to 2ms.
This has not fixed my problem.. any tips?
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scook
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/27 19:31:09
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Verify SONAR is configured to use ASIO driver mode in Preferences > Audio > Playback and Recording
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Telomir
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/27 20:12:23
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Yes it is in ASIO mode. Have already lowered it to 2ms like the Cakewalk help on this topic said to do.. Have tried WDM just to see if that made a difference.. As I stated in previous post, It works fine using my Yamaha Keyboard through midi in the Rapture Session program. Just not in Sonar or Music creator, in these two I have a very small latency that is just enough to mess with timing and such when playing.
post edited by Telomir - 2016/02/27 20:29:29
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scook
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/27 20:22:18
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Are there any effect plug-ins in the project? If so, click the FX button in the Mix Module to bypass them.
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Telomir
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/28 00:59:17
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I have tried that. I have created a new basic project every time I try a new fix for my problem.
I am just confused why the Rapture Session Works perfectly and Sonar has the issue. It has to be a setting in Sonar. I have done everything I know and can with the sound card software.
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/29 11:41:59
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What are the ASIO-Reported latency values? (Edit>Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings)
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/29 11:48:00
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☄ Helpfulby FerniD 2016/06/19 23:59:10
Actually another question - do you have any plugin effects loaded into the project? If so, please list them, and also - try toggling off/on the bypassing of all effects, by hitting the letter 'E' on your computer keyboard, then playing. If your issues vanish when you have effects bypassed, then you are likely using an effect that is really meant to be used during mixing (when you can have a giant ASIO Buffer Size), rather than to be used for recording. (hit 'E' again after testing it out to turn your effects back on, by the way).
The usual culprits are those effects that use 'look-ahead' processing, where they have to read data ahead of what is playing to do their thing, or effects that just chew up massive amounts of CPU. Some folks do bypass effects while tracking/recording and others swap out those effects for less consumptive ones, during recording, then put the effects that they really wanted all along back in once finished recording and they have moved on to mixing.
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Telomir
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/29 22:22:07
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Hi Bob, I created a new basic project. turned off the effects like you said and I still get the Tap - click latency. (Tap is when the finger hits a key, click is when the sound comes. So at the same time your finger hits the key say tap then say click right after for when the sound comes.. that's the delay I am talking about) Anyway, my ASIO reported settings are as follows: Input: 2.2 msec, 96 samples Output: 2.2 msec, 96 samples Total round trip: 4.4 msc, 192 samples sample rate is 44100 effective latency is 44kHZ/stereo: 2.2msec
post edited by Telomir - 2016/02/29 22:46:26
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Telomir
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/29 22:47:32
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Ok, update. I was playing around (Learning). I looked up how to use the Rapture session inside sonar. created a new track following the instructions on how to insert a soft synth.
Guess what.. no response latency...
I suspect that this delay has something to do with the MS GS wavetable synth. I don't know. I am going to play around with some of the other synths to see if they all work correctly.
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Telomir
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/03/02 01:12:59
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Just a follow up.
Thank You Scook and Bob for the advice you gave me. It actually helped me find the information I needed to resolve my issue even though it had nothing to do with the ASIO settings lol.
Thanks
T
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/03/02 12:08:58
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Telomir
I suspect that this delay has something to do with the MS GS wavetable synth.
That's right. Onboard GS Wavetable synths typically have an inherent latency of around 50ms above an beyond normal audio latency. They are unusable as sound sources in a DAW because even on playback of existing MIDI, the audio from the Wavetable synth will be extremely late compared to soft synths and recorded/imported audio tracks - not to mention, the sound quality tends to be inferior to any decent soft synth.
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/03/07 21:15:55
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I know it's a bit late in the thread, but I ran into a similar issue with softsynths. I decided to track a MIDI part on a new track after being most of the way through the mix. I thought to turn off the FX bins globally while tracking but that didn't work -- I found that I needed to turn the audio engine off and back on again to get it to unload them properly, and then the latency came right back to normal.
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/06/19 23:43:39
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Bob, just wanted to say thanks because this solved my latency problem! Ferni D
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/07/12 19:32:07
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Hello. I am a complete beginner just trying to use my Roland A 49 to perform live, at least to start. I am having this latency and because I know NOTHING about any of this, still cannot get the sound to come with the playing through my laptop.
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/07/12 22:14:55
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First make sure and install the Roland driver for the USB midi.
Next you will probably need a proper audio interface to get lower latency. On board sound cards are not really designed with low latency in mind. Sonar runs best in ASIO mode and those drivers will come with most respected brand interfaces.
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Re: Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/07/13 13:16:58
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I would also suggest going through tutorial on using a soft synth and midi.
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