Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2

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2016/12/21 12:45:45 (permalink)

Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2

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Is it possible to create a song on the DR-660 drum machine, then dump the MIDI data into Sonar? Then use that MIDI data in the MIDI track for Addictive Drums 2?
The Boss DR-660 can transmit MIDI data (and receive it). This is what I know about MIDI on the DR-660:

"Data stored in the DR-660 can be transferred as follows: (connect MIDI out on DR-660 to MIDI in on a sequencer)
1. Press MIDI. The Display should read "MIDI" (MIDI Mode)
2. Using the < or > buttons, select "9BULK".
3. Using the TEMPO/DATA dial, specify the data to be transferred.

ALL = All data in the DR-660
SEQ = Rythm Patterns and Song Data
GLOBAL = Roll/Flam/Metronome/MIDI settings
DRMKITS = All Drum Kits
1DRMKIT = One specified Drum Kit"

So, I connect the MIDI cable from the MIDI OUT on the DR-660 to the MIDI IN on my interface. Do the above instructions on the DR-660. So where would I look for that MIDI file on my PC? Where does it go? Will the patterns just appear on the MIDI track in Sonar?

The reason - just being lazy really. I have several songs programmed on the DR-660 and I just didn't want to reprogram the beats in AD 2. The DR-660 has four outputs so if I recorded direct to audio I would not get the separate tracks for each drum.

Remember - dumb it down for this old fart. The extent of my MIDI experience has been just temp sync with Master and Slave.
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    Re: Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2 2016/12/21 13:28:40 (permalink)
    I don't know the 660, but from your description that looks like how to send a "dump" of the contents in syssex.

    Translated to English, that's a way to back up the contents in a file on a computer. The file will be in what's called System Exclusive (sysex) format, which is different for every MIDI device. If you like, it's a language only it can understand.

    Sonar can send sysex data to a MIDI instrument but it's probably not the best way to do what I think you want to do, which is to have the MIDI as note data in a MIDI track?

    I've downloaded and looked at the manual, and it's not entirely clear to me at first reading, and I've been dealing with MIDI pretty much as long as there's been MIDI.

    But what I think you want to do should work like this.

    Connect the DR's MIDI in and out sockets to a MIDI to PC interface and switch it on.
    Launch Sonar and create a blank MIDI track. You should see the DR listed in Sonar's MIDI preferences as an available device. Enable it.

    Sync the DR to Sonar following the MIDI sunc instructions in the DR manual. That will make the DR run at Sonar's tempo and stop/start when Sonar's transport does.

    Now tell your MIDI track to receive input from the DR and record-arm the track. Make sure the track is set to point it's MIDI output anywhere other than the DR, otherwise the DR will echo the notes Sonar sends to it and they'll set up a MIDI feedback loop. An alternative is to make sure "imput echo" on the MIDI track is "off".

    Then set Sonar running and you should see the DR streaming MIDI into your MIDI track.
    You may need to check the MIDI channel the DR is operating on and make sure Sonar's MIDI track is set to the same channel. If you want to send MIDI from Sonar to the DR that's essential, but going the other way often the MIDI channel setting in a Sonar track doesn't matter.

    It's possible that the first few notes of a song will be missing because the DR and Sonar might not start at exactly the same instant. A work-round for that is to add a blank bar to the beginning of the song in the DR to allow time for everything to sync together before data starts moving.

    Hope that helps.

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    Re: Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2 2016/12/21 13:33:11 (permalink)
    Just to add, another way is to record the sounds from the DR into Sonar.

    Hook up the DR's MIDI to the PC and enable it as a device in Sonar, then sync the DR to Sonar.
    Connect the DR's audio outputs to your audio interface.
    You can then record the DR to a stereo track like any other external audio source. Or to several tracks by making several passes through the song with different drum sounds muted in the DR each time. So you can get one track for kick, one for snare, another for hats etc.

    Then, if desired convert the audio to MIDI using Melodyne or use the drum replacer to replace the DR sounds with something else.

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    Re: Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2 2016/12/21 13:57:56 (permalink)
    Awesome! You were exactly right on what I wanted to do. Including that blank measure at the beginning is always a must. So, make sure the MIDI channels are the same - got it.
    So just like recording audio do NOT have the track input and track output set to the same thing.
    Then once the MIDI track is created, I can open Addictive Drums 2, then copy the MIDI track created from the DR to the MIDI track in the AD 2 MIDI track. I have AD 2 set to default to open with separate mono tracks in it's own folder.
    After that it would just be making sure AD 2 has the right notes assigned.

    Maybe this will be easy!

    Thanks for the help.
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    Re: Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2 2016/12/21 14:35:43 (permalink)
    I have the 505, It has midi sync. 
     
    So what you need to do is set Sonar to transmit midi sync and be the master. 
    Set the 606 ( guessing it works like my 505)  to midi sync slave. 
    Obviously hooking up your midi in and out cables to your interface is required. 
    Because this will create a midi data stream from the 606 all you need is to insert a midi track in Sonar, select OMNI and your interfaces midi input. No need to record the audio and convert it, record the midi and save a step. 
    Select the pattern or song on the drum machine and set Sonar to recording. 
    Midi sync will have Sonars tempo driving the machine and the resulting recorded midi data will line up with Sonars timeline. 
    Doesn't matter which tempo you record at because you can change this to anything later. 
     
    I dumped all the patterns from my 505 and I still use them from time to time when starting a new song. 
    Having them as midi makes them real useful. 
    If you really wanted the sounds from the 606 it's easy to just sample them and use them with Session drummer , or Strike 2. 
    That said there are plenty of VST's that have similar sounds. Personally I have no use for that era of drum machine sonic pallet. 
    AD2 cannot play your own samples. 

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    Re: Sonar & Boss DR-660 & MIDI question for AD 2 2016/12/21 16:08:57 (permalink)
    Thanks Cactus! So, both MIDI in and out cables plugged into my interface.
    More questions - sorry guys! Syncing tempos is all I have done with MIDI.
    With AD 2 - you said it will not play my samples. Does that mean the sounds of the drums from my DR-660 cannot be played by AD 2? Because I would rather use the drum sounds from AD 2 anyway.
    I am looking to be able to just use the beat structures that are programmed into my DR-660. So if the kick drum is played on beats 1, the and after 2 and on 3 on the DR-660, AD 2 would play the kick drum on the same beats but the sound would be the kick drum in AD 2.
    I am really quick on programming beats on the DR-660 and was hoping this would be another solution to triplets in Sonar's step sequencer.
    Make sense?
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