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2018/07/22 20:34:05 (permalink)

Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine.

Has anyone tried it?

I am thinking of testing it.
There is tons of things / drivers and apps that has to work. And Wine is not an emulator. So i guess the Windows programs run ala on the core.

It i loose 1/3 ms in latency I dont care. My limit is 8 ms for tracking guitars.

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/22 21:33:41 (permalink)
Wine on Linux is a can of worms. Pretty much a hit or miss thing.  If it works with the application you need, great!  If not, well you will spend a lot of time testing and get no where.  Check here for a current list of programs that are compatible.  https://appdb.winehq.org/
 
To appreciate the real strength of Linux, you would be better off finding native Linux applications to replace your Windows toys. The native Linux audio system takes a bit of learning curve, as it is quite different from Windows audio.
 
Tracktion offers a Linux version of their DAW.  https://www.tracktion.com/products/t6-daw
 
I lost a couple of weekends a few years ago trying to set up a Linux DAW, then remembered that my Windows DAW runs just fine, without the extra effort.  It could be a fun project however, but YMMV!  Good luck!

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/23 01:29:13 (permalink)
Reaper also has a Linux native build too.
 
 

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/23 02:55:05 (permalink)
Linux Ubuntu studio with mixbus and a class compliant interface is the way to go.

Melda productions plugins can be installed using wine.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/23 08:55:16 (permalink)
I have spent quite some time in attempts to run Sonar with Wine.
Current state:
* X2 works out of the box
* X3 also works
* Plat - NO go. Note that technically it can run, when in Demo mode. I personally blame authorization system.
 
Other DAWs (personal experience):
* Ardour is Ardour (Mixbus has the same engine). Works, but it is not a competition for general purpose DAWs.
* Tracktion Waveform. They also have FXes and Synth which run on Linux natively. Well, should run. After they have released Waveform 8 (and I have bought it), they basically have not managed to make it work under Linux... Simply do not care or with silly explanations why ("it works on our test system", "hard to find", etc.). Note that some bugs was plain simple, like exchanged in/outs. Finally they have fixed some of these bugs, but I have lost trust in what they are doing (no plans to upgrade).
* REAPER by tradition works under Wine and does that well. It is semi-supported platform. Linux native port is long time Beta("Experimental builds"). Every REAPER update is also available as native Linux. I guess the developers simply do not have the feeling it works with production quality (unlike toys producers at Tracktion, for which "can be started == can be sold"). But there is some recent movements, like a dedicated board on forum.
 
The most problematic part are drivers (for everything). Curiously, Roland/Edirol interfaces have drivers (including declared out of life VS20).

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/23 17:43:16 (permalink)
Thanks.

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/25 16:23:26 (permalink)
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Every REAPER update is also available as native Linux. I guess the developers simply do not have the feeling it works with production quality (unlike toys producers at Tracktion, for which "can be started == can be sold"). But there is some recent movements, like a dedicated board on forum.
 
The most problematic part are drivers (for everything). Curiously, Roland/Edirol interfaces have drivers (including declared out of life VS20).




I'm running Linux as my primary OS now (dual boot Linux/Win7 SSD on my DAW) and have native Linux REAPER installed. Using Jack as the audio interface with a pair of M-Audio Delta 2496 cards, I get 8.7ms latency (2.9/5.8ms) 128 samples, which was plenty good enough to record with. I used the free acoustic drum samples that Tod over on the REAPER forum created for ReaSample-o-matic and recorded this test.
 
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13741953
 
I played my V-Drums triggering ReaSample-o-matic for the drums, and then recorded two guitars and bass for a proof of concept. I haven't yet messed with getting any VST/VSTi plugins working yet, as that requires a WINE to Linux bridge (another thing I need to setup), but I have read people are getting a lot of plugs to work, even commercial ones.
 
If REAPER were to have a native VST/VSTi bridge, it would be a major game changer IMO.
post edited by the_user_formally_known_as_glennbo - 2018/07/25 18:58:13

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/25 22:13:05 (permalink)
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Every REAPER update is also available as native Linux. I guess the developers simply do not have the feeling it works with production quality (unlike toys producers at Tracktion, for which "can be started == can be sold"). But there is some recent movements, like a dedicated board on forum.
 
The most problematic part are drivers (for everything). Curiously, Roland/Edirol interfaces have drivers (including declared out of life VS20).




I'm running Linux as my primary OS now (dual boot Linux/Win7 SSD on my DAW) and have native Linux REAPER installed. Using Jack as the audio interface with a pair of M-Audio Delta 2496 cards, I get 8.7ms latency (2.9/5.8ms) 128 samples, which was plenty good enough to record with. I used the free acoustic drum samples that Tod over on the REAPER forum created for ReaSample-o-matic and recorded this test.
 
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13741953
 
I played my V-Drums triggering ReaSample-o-matic for the drums, and then recorded two guitars and bass for a proof of concept. I haven't yet messed with getting any VST/VSTi plugins working yet, as that requires a WINE to Linux bridge (another thing I need to setup), but I have read people are getting a lot of plugs to work, even commercial ones.
 
If REAPER were to have a native VST/VSTi bridge, it would be a major game changer IMO.


That sounds cool

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/25 23:31:43 (permalink)
I was surprised at how responsive it is. I do get lower latency in Windows, but it's only one block size less.
 
Also, I installed "Airwave" in Linux after posting this, and have a bunch of my free VST/VSTi plugins now working. To Play virtual softsynths I did have to increase the latency to 512ms. This is on a nine year old 2.66Ghz i5 machine though, and a newer faster one would probably be able to go lower than I can hit.

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post edited by Original Pranksta - 2018/08/09 03:40:09


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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/07/28 16:40:34 (permalink)
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REAPER and Linux is a combination that makes it easier and more affordable for kids everywhere to be able to produce recordings of the instruments that they play.
 
No need for a $600 smart phone and a $50/month data plan or an expensive brand name OS computer and an $50/month internet connection fee. No need to finagle access to a cloud or online authorization. No need to spend a bunch of money to get access to freeware.
 
You can hack together a Linux box and stick Reaper on it with a bare minimum budget.
 
Digital kindness.

 
 So here's a screenshot of the hacked together REAPER and Linux box. Having some fun with Drumkit From Hell loaded up in EZ-Drummer, playing along with a Native Instruments B4 and an electric bass.
 
 
 
 This setup is NOT as responsive as running it on the same machine but booted up into Windows. Most of the reason for that is the VST/VSTi plugins are all running in WINE and being bridged as native Linux plugins using Airwave. Still, it is plenty usable, and since I run Linux most of the time on my dual boot DAW, I could easily start a song running the Linux version, and then finish it up while booted into the Windows side of the house.

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/08/01 22:35:43 (permalink)
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This setup is NOT as responsive as running it on the same machine but booted up into Windows. Most of the reason for that is the VST/VSTi plugins are all running in WINE and being bridged as native Linux plugins using Airwave. Still, it is plenty usable, and since I run Linux most of the time on my dual boot DAW, I could easily start a song running the Linux version, and then finish it up while booted into the Windows side of the house.


This is cool.
But a little sad that the latency is bigger.
I hope they can make a better solution.
Maybe BandLab could make Cakewalk a Linux DAW, and with a bult in *.exe Plugin install and "bridge".
 
Or does it need to bee Linux? Just a stripped down Windows just for Cakewalk and just an intern portal in Cakewalk to install drivers and plugins. Boot right into Cakewalk without any desktop, start menu, and so on.

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/11/08 22:20:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ØSkald 2018/11/11 08:05:22
I do use REAPER Linux Native and all my new projects are on my linux (Arch) mashine. I can record audio and mix music and even movies)))
 
Today I installed CA-2A and using airwave created a .so link for it - works well - only I still can not register it. 
Did whant to do the same with L-phase EQ and MB, downloaded both - do not started on my linuks(((
 
So, plug-ins are wery good, I would like to buy all of them and will wait for LinVST version, on an LV2 (3) format
 
People from CAKEWALK, do not loose your time, create LinVST plug-ins. There is no good limiters, maximisers and multibend compresors yet. Please be the first!
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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/11/08 22:53:47 (permalink)
Do you have Tracktion effects? I am not using Linux native after disappointment with Waveform 8 there... But at least Tracktion has relatively complete FX set for Linux.
 
Cakewalk LP idea was not bad, but GUI realization is disaster. And remembering also RapturePro, I wish Cakewalk/Bandlab first master how to write plug-ins for one platform before moving to another.

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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/11/09 13:10:00 (permalink)
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Do you have Tracktion effects? I am not using Linux native after disappointment with Waveform 8 there... But at least Tracktion has relatively complete FX set for Linux.
 
Cakewalk LP idea was not bad, but GUI realization is disaster. And remembering also RapturePro, I wish Cakewalk/Bandlab first master how to write plug-ins for one platform before moving to another.



When I have known about traction - I was glad and decide to buy their effects, but first i took a trial version of it and then i was glad not to buy it. Effects are working well, but the result is not so good.
I have collect my own kit for work (mixing), but there is not enough multi-band compressor, limiter, maximiser.
I got some plugs from MIXBUS - they are very good, but LV2 and it is not possible to use them in REAPER yet
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Re: Sonar / CbB on Linux via Wine. 2018/11/09 14:32:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ØSkald 2018/11/11 08:07:14
By the way, I have just tried to start CA-2A, LP MB and LP EQ in my MIXBUS session - effects work perfect!
But still, i do not have got possibility to make offline registration for CA-2A (menu in the right bottom is permanently disappearing when you click the button)
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