usodious
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Sonar Platinum
I have been using Cakewalk products since the 1980s, starting with the Cakewalk 1.0 sequencer. Currently I use Sonar X3. I am totally opposed to the new subscription program for Sonar Platinum. It is a blatant cash grab. My philosophy is that I do not do business with people who want to rip me off. No ifs, ands or buts. This will be the end of my 28 year relationship with Cakewalk.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 14:29:33
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☄ Helpfulby jgiles@acm.org 2015/03/24 00:45:06
I'm sure staff will come along soon to patiently repeat what is all over this forum if you took even one minute to bother. I'm not staff, so I can be more of an a-hole about it. BYE. i can understand being cynical. I have Platinum and i still maintain some cynicism and wait and see attitude. If you took a second, you would see you still have the option to purchase just as you have in the past, but you are too stuck on your rhetoric to bother. It smells of trolling, but i will give benefit of doubt that that you used Cakewalk products for over 20 years and decided now was the time to throw away a 20+ year relationship without bothering to look at the facts. Some people dump spouses after decades of marriage over toothpaste so i don't underestimate the stupidity of my fellow man. If you wan to just have a botch rant and leave without at least having a closer look at what you are ranting, BYE. I might one day decide this is not for me, but I hope i have the sense to know what i am actually ticked off at.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 14:35:34
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/01/18 16:09:07
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 14:35:51
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usodious I have been using Cakewalk products since the 1980s, starting with the Cakewalk 1.0 sequencer. Currently I use Sonar X3. I am totally opposed to the new subscription program for Sonar Platinum. It is a blatant cash grab. My philosophy is that I do not do business with people who want to rip me off. No ifs, ands or buts. This will be the end of my 28 year relationship with Cakewalk.
Good on ya. And just think how much Starbucks coffee you could order with the $149 you save by leaving Sonar. Within a month you will be thirsty again.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 14:53:46
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John T One post in 28 years?
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Re: Sonar Platinum
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Re: Sonar Platinum
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☄ Helpfulby redsmusic64 2015/01/29 02:37:23
One post in 28 years is possible. I have about that much time with Cakewalk and I have not posted in the forums for almost a decade. I only ended up here because of the new subscription email and had just about the same reaction as the initial poster. Of course, I've calmed down quite a bit, but for old timers like us, this is a bit shocking at first. I don't think it is wise to have such a strong reaction and to throw the "BYE" card out there because the boards here and at most other software sites represent the tip of the iceberg in terms of the user base. It makes it seem like the site might be too much of a fan boy accretion. From the short while I have been here, I have found the forum user base to be very helpful. It would probably be best to tell the poster to sit back and cool off for a while. Give it time for the idea of change to sink in ... you can pretty much go on as you have with this subscription scheme even if there is a real bump in annual expense from previous incarnations.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 15:09:24
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Dubdeciple is my hero! BTW the OP maybe the same troll under a new name.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 16:02:43
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☄ Helpfulby jgiles@acm.org 2015/03/24 00:47:33
Yes, one post in all of this time. And when I see how rude people can be, I am glad of it. $149 to upgrade for one year and $20 a month each and every month after that is not cheap. it cost me $149 to upgrade to X3 14 months ago. So, if the current plan had been in place then it would have cost me $280 since then to stay current. That is a significant price increase. I object to paying the monthly fee. And I object to no support unless I pay the monthly fee. I don't agree with that way of doing business.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 16:49:59
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usodious Yes, one post in all of this time. And when I see how rude people can be, I am glad of it. $149 to upgrade for one year and $20 a month each and every month after that is not cheap. it cost me $149 to upgrade to X3 14 months ago. So, if the current plan had been in place then it would have cost me $280 since then to stay current. That is a significant price increase. I object to paying the monthly fee. And I object to no support unless I pay the monthly fee. I don't agree with that way of doing business.
I'm the farthest thing from a fanboy. i say what i feel regardless. There are plenty of things i don't like about Sonar. I'm also a Logic user as well. I fully understand the frustration of change and I understand mistrust as well as anyone on here. What I don't understand is why after 20+ years you wouldn't bother to at least get your facts straight before flying off the handle and making accusations. I have never had trouble getting support, even when i was not on the current incarnation of Sonar. I just don't see support hanging up on you if you call in with an issue with X3. Again, if you took some time to read you would see hat the monthly fee is an option. You could simply just pay upgrade price as usual and any concerns about monthly fee becomes a non-issue for you. yes, I'm "rude". I'm not trying to be your friend or neighbor. Just someone being honest with someone who is behaving irrationally. I'll leave the coddling to Cake staff. For those who think my "BYE" was over the top, comparing a three letter dismissal is nothing compared to slanderous accusations of ripping people off. Ripping someone off would involve not delivering what the person paid for. If i were to come to your backyard and basically call you a thief without having my facts straight, i doubt you would just take it in stride. If he does not like the new model, fine. if he wants to leave, fine. But, if he wants to make one post in all this time just to falsely make accusations of thievery.....BYE.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 16:58:08
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/01/18 17:00:06
There's also the point that someone saying "no ifs, no buts, this is the end" isn't showing an interest in being persuaded. So why would any of us bother?
The point of making such a post in the first place eludes me, to be honest. Cowboydan's mention of Starbucks reminds me of something pertinent. I decided to stop going to Starbucks last year. So the first thing I did was.... not go to Starbucks. I then continued to not go to Starbucks.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 17:41:23
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John T One post in 28 years?
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:00:28
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usodious I have been using Cakewalk products since the 1980s, starting with the Cakewalk 1.0 sequencer. Currently I use Sonar X3. I am totally opposed to the new subscription program for Sonar Platinum. It is a blatant cash grab. My philosophy is that I do not do business with people who want to rip me off. No ifs, ands or buts. This will be the end of my 28 year relationship with Cakewalk.
Hi Dave! How's it going? How many alts is this now? I've lost count. It's more than the number of fingers and toes I have, so it's challenging.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:22:19
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usodious $149 to upgrade for one year, and $20 a month each and every month after that...
Can some confirm for me if this is correct, or has he got his wires crossed?
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:23:48
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It is not true. Anything this troll says is a lie!
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:25:02
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/01/18 18:56:43
lludwick@nyc.rr.com I don't think it is wise to have such a strong reaction and to throw the "BYE" card out there because the boards here and at most other software sites represent the tip of the iceberg in terms of the user base. It makes it seem like the site might be too much of a fan boy accretion. From the short while I have been here, I have found the forum user base to be very helpful. It would probably be best to tell the poster to sit back and cool off for a while.
People like you are great. You encourage tolerance and patience, and express your views well. I wish there were more people like you on this planet. However, in this case, we have a troll who has been coming in here multiple times a day for several days, using multiple alts and saying the same thing - "I've been a Cakewalk user for years, this is a blatant ripoff, Cakewalk are liars, it's a subscription program where you don't get to keep what you own [false]. etc. etc." Then he usually graduates to self-exploding arguments. In one of his most recent ones he linked to an article that totally undermined what he said. He has no interest in a dialog, and has some kind of libelous and defamatory agenda for reasons I cannot fathom. His mind is made up, so he is on a fruitless search to prove that he's right. Because he's wrong, this search could go on forever. This has been pointed out by numerous people, even including some who are uncomfortable with the model of software ownership (not rental) and distribution that Cakewalk has proposed. He has been doing this for a while, since Tuesday IIRC. All his alts are users with a handful of posts, and they share common ISPs, among which he rotates. He has graduated to ISPs that are more difficult to trace than the ones he was using several days ago, and flatters himself by thinking he's clever to be able to do this. He is basically attempting to do a low-level denial of service attack and prevent an intelligent debate from occurring. The only change in his MO was he has stopped saying how crappy Cakewalk software is when people called him on why didn't he come to the forums or contact tech support so he could get them resolved. Those who have been on these boards the past few days are pretty fed up, as am I. His constant trolling and saying the same thing over and over and over and over again prevents those who have legitimate questions and concerns from finding the answers among his drivel. There is a very, very slim chance that this is indeed a new member to the forums. However, it would require someone using similar domains, with a similar writing style, use of the same general vocabulary, and having the exact same opinions as the self-admitted troll (one of his user names was "Trolleater.") I love your attitude, but I'm 99.9% sure this person doesn't deserve it.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:29:39
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Drone7
usodious $149 to upgrade for one year, and $20 a month each and every month after that...
Can some confirm for me if this is correct, or has he got his wires crossed?
This is why he's here. To spread misinformation. I highly doubt he's from a competitor, I know pretty much all of them and they're class acts who enjoy actual competition that results in better products. This is just someone with a warped agenda and too much time on his hands.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:30:13
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John It is not true. Anything this troll says is a lie!
NOT TRUE!!! He spelled "X3" correctly. So there.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 18:58:52
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Lots of good stuff from Craig there, nothing to add except a seconding to all of it. As a fan of a well-turned and apposite phrase, though, I'll single this out. I'm going to be plagiarising this for years to come, in all manner of contexts, I already know. Anderton His mind is made up, so he is on a fruitless search to prove that he's right. Because he's wrong, this search could go on forever.
Not for nothing does he make a chunk of his living as a writer.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 19:13:36
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lludwick@nyc.rr.com One post in 28 years is possible. I have about that much time with Cakewalk and I have not posted in the forums for almost a decade. I only ended up here because of the new subscription email and had just about the same reaction as the initial poster. Of course, I've calmed down quite a bit, but for old timers like us, this is a bit shocking at first. I don't think it is wise to have such a strong reaction and to throw the "BYE" card out there because the boards here and at most other software sites represent the tip of the iceberg in terms of the user base. It makes it seem like the site might be too much of a fan boy accretion. From the short while I have been here, I have found the forum user base to be very helpful. It would probably be best to tell the poster to sit back and cool off for a while. Give it time for the idea of change to sink in ... you can pretty much go on as you have with this subscription scheme even if there is a real bump in annual expense from previous incarnations.
You use the word "subscription". There is no such thing. Nor did an email from CW say there was. Really nothing much has changed at all. What has been added is an option for CW to extend credit for those that can't buy Sonar out right. Otherwise you can buy the upgrade just as you have in the past. There is nothing to worry about. If you are listening to a troll and not to forum members that have been here working for years helping people with their problems and issues. That is not good judgment. You are welcome here and I hope that you are more selective in who you choose to listen to.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 19:19:39
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stickman393 Don't feed the trolls.
Why some insist on doing this is mind boggling. It just loads up the forum with unnecessary rubbish and pointless bantering.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 19:31:01
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Ouch ... I've been Trolled ... or worse attempted to defend a troll ... how embarrassing.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 19:33:17
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/01/18 20:40:33
John T As a fan of a well-turned and apposite phrase, though, I'll single this out. I'm going to be plagiarising this for years to come, in all manner of contexts, I already know. Anderton His mind is made up, so he is on a fruitless search to prove that he's right. Because he's wrong, this search could go on forever. Well then, this is your lucky day - you can now buy a membership in "Craig's Aphorism Du Jour!!" If you sign up during January (and this special offer may be extended into February), you can use any of my aphorisms already posted in this forum, as well as ANY aphorisms I post over the next year! After the year is up, not only can you keep using the aphorisms you've already plagiarized (although attribution is not required, so it's not really plagiarism), you can renew for the next year of aphorisms simply by visiting this forum and making 1 post per month for 12 consecutive months. As a bonus, if you sign up today, you'll get free, Premium tech support from a trained child psychologist who understands the mindset of trolls, and can give you valuable tips on how not to bang your head against the wall due to the frustration of constant troll exposure! This alone is worth the price of membership!! Even better, I'll be posting some new, surprise aphorisms, and subscribers will be the first to read them here! So what are you waiting for? Become a member today!!
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 19:46:53
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 Anderton...great ! & thanks for the troll alert
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 19:50:57
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Will there be a random drawing of emails so that elite the flavoured ones random users can get access to new aphorisms before the rest of us?
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 20:33:00
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Karyn Will there be a random drawing of emails so that elite the flavoured ones random users can get access to new aphorisms before the rest of us?
Only if the aphorism is capable of causing problems, and I need to limit the impact of those problems before it goes into general usage.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 20:43:00
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I don't care what happens, as long as Platinum Aphorism subscribers get more and better aphorisms than everyone else.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 20:45:26
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While we're on the subject, I think having to download Craigtalk Aphorism Center is a deal-breaker for me.
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 21:02:47
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☄ Helpfulby stratman70 2015/01/18 21:16:05
Personally, I think if any one person spends this much time using several alts with a similar isp, etc., "he" is probably working with one of the DAW competitors. That's a lot of time and effort to slander and degrade a product in a false way, and leads me to that conclusion. "Thou protesteth too strenously ... "
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Re: Sonar Platinum
2015/01/18 21:15:37
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You posted once in 28 years? Why don't you post as yourself? Well, So long................................. Your one post has been very helpful throughout the 2 plus decades. Hate to see you go.
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