Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge

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2012/04/12 14:33:07 (permalink)

Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge

Using just the ProChannel EQ in Sonar producer, EQ the following acoustic guitar sample:
 
http://www.phildarg.com/Guitar-1.wav
 
The sample is 96kHz/24-bit, and is about 5.7 MB in size.
 
Post your result in this thread as a link in either WAV or MP3 format.
 
I am very curious to hear how others would respond to this, and what settings will be used.
 
Think of the sound sample as being heard by itself (i.e., do not "EQ for the mix" etc.).
 
I look forward to your results!
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 14:37:58 (permalink)
    You need to have it in context of the song

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 14:43:34 (permalink)
    In this case - think of it as being heard alone.
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 14:46:02 (permalink)
    Why would that need EQing?

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 15:04:11 (permalink)
    "No EQ needed" is also a choice; it seems to me that some shaping is needed here - but all input is appreciated.
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 15:27:54 (permalink)
    You could up the lower frequencies a bit but I like it as it is. Besides isn't that the way it sounds?

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 15:36:40 (permalink)
    Here's my input on it, now a 44.1/16 bit file though due to soundcloud going into a sulk at anything different.

    HERE
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 15:54:16 (permalink)
    A good starting point would be to kill that 330hz ring... 

    narrowest Q, -5db, vintage curve (seems to be the less phasy one for that)

    it does bring it cleaner, then adjust further in context... 

    HTH  

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 15:59:47 (permalink)
    He wants samples not comments lol

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 17:20:37 (permalink)
    or a description, as vlab has provided.
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 17:22:34 (permalink)
    AWWWW ok!!! 

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 17:36:39 (permalink)
    The "ring" isn't that part of the sound of the guitar? Are we trying to make it into something its not? This is just a question.

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 17:50:03 (permalink)
    This is a Taylor DN3, through a Gefell M930 mic, mono recording with a Pacifica preamp, about 12 inches away.

    To me the question is: what EQ does this clip need to sound aesthetically/sonically pleasant - assuming that you would hear it just alone.
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 17:52:17 (permalink)
    pdarg


    This is a Taylor DN3, through a Gefell M930 mic, mono recording with a Pacifica preamp, about 12 inches away.

    To me the question is: what EQ does this clip need to sound aesthetically/sonically pleasant - assuming that you would hear it just alone.


    That question is a matter of taste. What I am asking is if you don't like the sound by all means process it but if you do why process it? I like it as it is.

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 18:01:26 (permalink)
    Okay, I don't mind taking a shot to help. My thinking is how to first make this (roughly) fit into a mix with other instruments and still sound unprocessed. 

    Without hearing the other instruments, this is a wgc. By itself, I agree with John, it sounds authentic and I wouldn't do much else to it other than some light compression.

    Gtr Clip 24/44.1 Wav





     
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 18:04:41 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'm a bit lost here too, I'll admit. I don't really see EQing in particular or audio engineering in general as an exercise in getting "good" individual sounds, partly because I think it's impossible to meaningfully define "good" in this sense. There doesn't seem to be an artistic goal in mind here, so I wouldn't know what t work towards. I can think of a dozen different ways this could sound, including what it sounds like already. Without a further context, I don't think I could pick a "best".

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 18:08:16 (permalink)
    I think having an EQ on every channel is a compelling reason to use EQ.






    That's why I don't have EQ on every channel.



    I like what Karl did to it if it was meant as a solo track but I think CJay gave the most useful advice. The track has to be considered within the context of the song (playing with with all the other instruments) before any decision can become a matter of taste.


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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 18:32:08 (permalink)
    EQing is all about personal preference. there is no right or wrong way to eq a track. If it sounds good, then its good

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 18:48:46 (permalink)
    Is this the end of the world? It seems that most if not all are in agreement here. Say it isn't so? The forum may never recover.

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 19:16:15 (permalink)
    I think that's right CJ, though I'd throw in an additional factor; there is a fairly mundane technical thing about making sure sounds don't mask each other to the detriment of the intended effect and so on. But yeah, broadly, there's no such thing as "correct" or "best" EQ. Best *practise* perhaps, but that's not the same thing.

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 19:25:51 (permalink)
    John


    Is this the end of the world? It seems that most if not all are in agreement here. Say it isn't so? The forum may never recover.





    I refuse to agree that I'm agreeing with you. But you're right!

     
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 20:14:21 (permalink)
    I do agree with everyone it does sound fine as is but the first trouble spot I would look at be it in the mix or not, is as Vlab suggested the 330 ring.

    David F

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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/12 21:45:14 (permalink)
    John


    Is this the end of the world? It seems that most if not all are in agreement here. Say it isn't so? The forum may never recover.


    LOL!
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/13 01:59:13 (permalink)
    I must admit, I thought the OP was looking for a whole variance of ideas hence I posted what I thought sounded good to me, but it is all subjective. If the intention was for a 'right' answer than there's no such thing is there?

    I was expecting to see that 20 different people had posted 20 different results, all with their own take on it and merits in each one. How it's EQ'd as a standalone is almost certainly going to be different to how it'd be EQ'd in a mix and that's going to be depend on each mix as well.

    @the OP. Were you looking for a definitive answer or was this as I assumed just a bit of fun to see how others heard it?
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/13 02:41:22 (permalink)
    BTW - You may want to release that as a song. I've just got a comment on my Soundcloud page saying that it really rocks and can I start to follow his music.

    I wonder if he took the trouble to listen to the full 20 secs or whether he made a snap judgement on just a small segment of it.
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/13 10:59:10 (permalink)
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    I was expecting to see that 20 different people had posted 20 different results.
     
    @the OP. Were you looking for a definitive answer or was this as I assumed just a bit of fun to see how others heard it?
    That was my original thought: many RQ opinions on this one piece. To my ears, there is a LOT of low-mid that either needs to be cut, or compensated for the in the higher end range.
     
    It's also about the mic. I have another sample of this - same preamp, same recording - done at the same time with a different mic - same distance, same angle. Let me see if I can upload that as well (I am getting close to running into a space limit!).
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/13 11:27:45 (permalink)
    Okay - here it is - same performance - but with a Josephson C42:

    http://www.phildarg.com/Guitar-2.wav 
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/13 11:32:34 (permalink)
    FastBikerBoy


    I must admit, I thought the OP was looking for a whole variance of ideas hence I posted what I thought sounded good to me, but it is all subjective. If the intention was for a 'right' answer than there's no such thing is there?

    I was expecting to see that 20 different people had posted 20 different results, all with their own take on it and merits in each one. How it's EQ'd as a standalone is almost certainly going to be different to how it'd be EQ'd in a mix and that's going to be depend on each mix as well.

    @the OP. Were you looking for a definitive answer or was this as I assumed just a bit of fun to see how others heard it?


    Like you, I took the time to try to help.

     
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    Re:Sonar ProChannel EQ challenge 2012/04/13 11:37:38 (permalink)
    Yeah but did someone think your version was a hit?
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