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Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
I'm trying to decide which version of Cakewalk Sonar to purchase. I've looked at the comparison chart here:
www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions#start
And I've looked at the plugins list here:
www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Plug-ins.1.html
Those pages are helpful, but Platinum's extra features do not represent benefits to me, because I've never used them. Hence, I'm not familiar with them, and I don't know how useful they are. Also, I've read somewhere that some of Platinum's virtual instruments sound a bit out-dated, in one reviewer's opinion.
So, I'm hoping to hear some personal opinions about which particular features in Platinum make it worth the extra money. (E.g. True Pianos? Or Lounge Lizard?) Alternatively, why is Sonar Professional sufficient for you? Please tell me why you yourself chose either Professional or Platinum. Are you happy with your choice?
By the way, I stopped using DAW software at Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and Samplitude 6, so I'm a total newb with Sonar. I'm on Windows 8.1 with an Intel i7 Skylake processor, and about 32 GB RAM.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 10:01:35
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Depends on what you are using it for and what type of projects you will be working on.
Think if you give more detail on your planned usage , you will get more detailed answers.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 10:05:43
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As far as bang for the buck.
Sonar Platinum is still sold with free Lifetime Updates till December 31st.
So without knowing your specific needs, that would still be a easy pick and a no brainier for me. Imho
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 10:28:27
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KingsMix
As far as bang for the buck.
Sonar Platinum is still sold with free Lifetime Updates till December 31st...
This is what you really need to be considering. Without the Lifetime Updates, the decision would be clearer since you said you don't need the extra stuff in Platinum... But the most valuable part of Platinum is the Lifetime Updates, so you need to ask yourself if that is worth it to you.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 10:53:05
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The Lifetime updates is the clincher. I find that most of the stuff in Platinum is sufficient. I think you get some extra Pro Channel modules (and Pro Channel is well integrated.) You get some extra AD2 kits and packs which may or may not be worth it.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 11:39:19
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Arizona
Also, I've read somewhere that some of Platinum's virtual instruments sound a bit out-dated, in one reviewer's opinion.
First, let me echo the sentiment about Lifetime Updates making Platinum a no-brainer. As to the instruments, an opinion like that is puzzling to me. I could understand if someone thinks the presets sound outdated, but the way instruments sound depends on how you program them. It's entirely possible to create the same cliched sounds everyone else uses if you want - slow LFO dubstep filtering, anyone? 
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 11:44:55
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Helo all,
I ran into these same thoughts as OP states. Except I came from the point of already having SPRO. I looked long and hard before making the change. Through the years I have accumulated most of the items offered in Splat. The only BIG difference was when Cake offered the lifetime offer. Even though I have been a long time owner in Cakewalk, the deal offered me was no better than someone new jumping on board. I penned it all out, and knew that yearly re-do was close. I jumped at the 2 year cost. Now I just have to add updates when I want them. Listen to all the grumbling here and keep learning what the knowledgeable people have to say. Sonar has met my needs for many years, and the investment in the future has been made.
Hope this helps. Really depends on you and what the offer still is. GOOD LUCK
PS (if you're jumping in now...........Splat lifetime
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 12:51:01
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Thanks for the advice, but I think my question was not clear enough. What I'm asking is which *particular* features of Platinum make it worth the money *for you personally*. I just want your personal perspective, because I'm not entirely sure what I would use it for myself. I used to produce and sell instrumental CDs, and now I sell the old tracks on iTunes, but I'm not sure that producing new music tracks for sale would be worth the effort these days, so I might just approach it as a hobby. Based on much of the advice given so far, I understand that the lifetime upgrades are the main advantage for Platinum. I was hoping someone would mention other *particular* features, but I guess the additional features are not very compelling. I guess it's better to buy third-party plugins instead. I'm not convinced that I would care about getting years of free updates, especially since they would cost an additional $300 up front. So based on the advice I've read so far, I guess I should get Sonar Professional, if anything. Am I off track here? I'd sure like to hear other personal perspectives, if you don't mind sharing your experience and opinions. Have any other features made Platinum worthwhile for you personally? Or can you tell me why you chose Sonar Professional instead? Thanks! [Edited]
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 14:03:02
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It's a matter of personal taste and use.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 14:03:16
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☄ Helpfulby Arizona 2016/11/19 18:03:18
I personally don't think most extra plugins and instruments you get are high quality enough for me. The exception is AD2. I use a lot of third party content. However if you're not planning to spend a lot on extra content, the actual combination of all the stuff that you get, PLUS the lifetime updates, is really good value. There are lots of sounds and fx in there that you would need to purchase or find separately if you didn't get them.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 14:08:44
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☄ Helpfulby Arizona 2016/11/19 18:24:41
Again...a lot depends on your application.
VocalSync: I record a lot of harmony parts and I like making them tight.
Drum Replacer: In addition to its obvious use, the Drum Replacer opens a lot of creative possibilities.
Theme Editor: Being able to customize particular IU elements for my particular workflow has been great, although I also use it to create themes that project well during workshops/seminars.
Boutique Suite: This is huge for me. Just about every project has at least one VX-64, TS-64 Transient Shaper, and/or PX-64, but the BiFilter 2 and Breverb also get significant use. As just one example, most transient shapers seem optimized for drums; I can use the TS-64 with guitar, bass, marimba, etc. to help make samples sound more "live." You can always put together processors to do what the VX-64 does...maybe. The way you can shape the Delay frequency response with it is genius, and perfect for vocals. I don't know of any other "one-stop" plug-in for vocals that's as effective, and getting a sound is easier than manipulating three or four separate plug-ins to try and do the same thing. All the other VX-64 modules (Saturation, EQ, etc.) are optimized for vocals as well.
ProChannel: I use the Console Emulator, Tube Distortion, and S-Type Bus Compressor a lot. The Console Emulator is of particular interest because it models an audio input transformer as well as channel non-linearities. Back in the day I saturated input transformers with bass and kick all the time, and now I have the same effect in the virtual world by treating the Console Emulator NOT as a Console Emulator, but driving it super-hard to "saturate" the "input transformer." The Tube Distortion has two different distortion modes that are crucial when adding hard clipping to bass and particularly, drums which can bring up the average level without any of the artifacts of dynamics processors by shaving off the very highest peaks. I rarely use the Tape Emulator but every now and then, it's just what I need for acoustic guitar rhythm parts.
I don't find the QuadCurve EQ flyout in Platinum as important a feature as many people, because I need more flexibility with spectrum analysis. But it's good for "quick and dirty" response checks.
I think there's a tendency to downplay the included plug-ins because they're bundled and have funky graphics, but what makes them worthwhile is they offer unique functions. Then again, I use SONAR almost every day for professional needs. If music is just going to be a hobby, you need to decide whether your hobby encompasses the same kind of needs. You could buy third-party plug-ins to do most of what the above plug-ins do, but that will probably end up costing you more than lifetime updates, depending on which of them you need.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 14:16:25
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Ah yes, I forgot about BiFilter 2. That is quite good and useful, also for saturation/distortion fx.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 14:18:04
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I fully recommend Sonar Platinum. Platinum has everything CW has to offer in their DAW. The other versions are cut down versions. As to the bundled plugins that come with Platinum they stand up well against any others. Thinking that they are not high quality is a mistaken belief.
The reason to get others is if they fill a need that is not being filled by the ones already there. I just bought the Arturia upgrade to V Collection. The reason, Sonar Platinum doesn't have those synths. Nor does anyone else.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 18:24:06
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I was using Pro until about a month ago. The main reason I upgraded was that I was nearing a Pro renewal. While I didn't have to take it I figured a renewal and some extra bucks and I wouldn't have to worry about it and I would get Plat in the process. The extra instruments was another plus.
As to the ProChannel stuff, I don't really use them enough to singly justify the extra cost but they may come in handy sometime. Maybe I just don't have a good enough ear to determine the subtle nuances of one reverb or limiter over another...
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 18:45:14
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As to the ProChannel stuff, I don't really use them enough to singly justify the extra cost but they may come in handy sometime. Maybe I just don't have a good enough ear to determine the subtle nuances of one reverb or limiter over another... Don't underestimate yourself, there are many more similarities than differences. You will find special-purpose variations like the FabFilter Pro Q that take processors to an extreme in terms of functionality, but given that it costs $179, it doesn't give me $179 more of what I need compared to SONAR's LP EQ. As to reverbs, they all sound different - which doesn't necessarily mean "better." I still use the Sonitus reverb sometimes; between that, REmatrix Solo (convolution), and Breverb (algorithmic), and Softube's TSAR 1, I'm covered. The only processor where I've found nothing equally good, in SONAR or from any other 3rd party manufacturer, is the Waves L3 Multimaximizer. I also think the Exciter in Ozone is stellar, but I use both of those only when mastering.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 19:22:01
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Its odd though. I don't believe anyone listening can say oh yah thats a Fabfilter EQ on that piano. Or that sounds like Waves on that bass. If it sounds bad then its an inferior plugin. If not I don't see an issue. Only the person mixing has any idea what equipment was used.
Really, if one can tell what plugins as processors were used I submit something is wrong with that mix.
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2016/11/19 19:54:27
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Its odd though. I don't believe anyone listening can say oh yah thats a Fabfilter EQ on that piano. Or that sounds like Waves on that bass. If it sounds bad then its an inferior plugin. If not I don't see an issue. Only the person mixing has any idea what equipment was used.
Really, if one can tell what plugins as processors were used I submit something is wrong with that mix.
Well the sound and the functionality are two different things, because the functionality may be able to let you get a unique sound. No one could tell I was using the Waves L3, but they could say "wow, that mix sounds really good" because I can adjust the amount of compression for individual bands easily, and bring a little lift where needed. I A-Bed the L3 against several different products, and to my ears there was a significant difference that was better than anything else I tried. Closer to home, the different curves on the QuadCurve can make a huge difference. If you know how to use the functionality, you'll get a better sound...but that doesn't mean anyone will know how you got that sound.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/19 20:02:31
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"but that doesn't mean anyone will know how you got that sound." This is the only part I'm talking about. 
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2016/11/19 20:28:56
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Anderton
Closer to home, the different curves on the QuadCurve can make a huge difference. If you know how to use the functionality, you'll get a better sound...but that doesn't mean anyone will know how you got that sound.
@Anderton, I think you're saying that there are two useful but independent attributes: 1) The sound quality of the processor 2) The functionality and user interface that make it easy to use the processor effectively I think you're implying that the QuadCurve's sound quality is up to industry standards, but the functionality and user interface are what makes the QuadCurve exceptional. Is that what you mean? [Edited]
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2016/11/20 04:40:38
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I will also argue that the interface of a plugin makes a difference in the end result. While this should in a technical A/B situation not matter, in real life if the interface is intuitive and fast I'll dial in the right settings quicker/easier and will stay "in the flow" more than if I have to fight with every plugin (or even have a lot of extra clicks/drags). One reason I love ProQ(2) is because it goes right to the core of what I want to do when I first open the plugin. I can do most things with a single click/drag anywhere on the spectrum. I definitely can't tell the difference in sound between ProQ and the QC (assuming identical curves and no linear phase) but it just suits my workflow.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/20 06:25:34
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Here is the thing, it starts out as a hobby, but then it becomes an addiction.
Like any good habit forming thing.. it is always best to have the best there is to offer.
So what you really want to consider is, will this continue to be a I use it once a week" thing or will it be,
It started out as once a week but now im using it on a constant basis.
My theory has always been, if im using something on a constant basis, for work purposes, buy the best there is to offer. Especially when the difference is only a couple hundred and not a couple thousand.
The extra tools in Platinum are well worth the price. but if your not going to be recording stems and your only going to re working older material, Professional will do fine.
What ever your choices, you have joined the best working forum on the internet.
This forum alone is worth every penny you pay for the software.
Good luck
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2016/11/20 06:55:20
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I would make the same argument but reach the opposite conclusion - if you're going to be using it constantly, buy Pro and get better plugins than those offered with Platinum. Platinum is decent value but if you are really going to go to town you'll end up replacing almost every plugin eventually.
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2016/11/20 10:58:12
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Sanderxpander
I would make the same argument but reach the opposite conclusion - if you're going to be using it constantly, buy Pro and get better plugins than those offered with Platinum. Platinum is decent value but if you are really going to go to town you'll end up replacing almost every plugin eventually.
I use a lot of 3rd party plug ins myself and the majority of what I use for plug ins are not the ones shipped with Sonar but I would argue that if given a task of creating a professional project from start / finish only using Sonar and its default Platinum plug ins. I could easily accomplish this. Do you agree ? -The Blue Tubes Bundle. -Sonitus bundle -Transient Shaper -VX-64 -TS-64 -PX-64 -Melodyne -Drum replacer -Vocal synch These are good plug ins / Region FX. That I still use at time now. I will even say the Sonitus bundle is a great set of plug ins. I still use Sonitus the Gate and Delay on 7/10 projects. Sure the Sonitus plug ins are old, but one could argue; is it because of our familiarity with them, or because of their character that makes them a valuable set of tools. I think both. im sure there is better out there (I also use Waves Manny Delay + H Delay) But Sonitus does what it should and does it well. Nothing wrong with Sonars plug ins at all.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/20 11:12:38
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i'm with sander on this one - if you're new, then the platinum bundle is great bang for buck, like you say one can produce something using just the bundled plugs... but if you've already been at this game for 20 years, and have invested in other 3rd party plugins, maybe not so much... and almost all of the plugins you list are somewhat "long in the tooth"
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2016/11/20 11:25:43
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pwalpwal
i'm with sander on this one - if you're new, then the platinum bundle is great bang for buck, like you say one can produce something using just the bundled plugs... but if you've already been at this game for 20 years, and have invested in other 3rd party plugins, maybe not so much... and almost all of the plugins you list are somewhat "long in the tooth"
/fwiw
I use a lot of 3rd party plug ins too. (that cost 1000's of dollars ) Come on man, be realistic. what are you going to do if your a newbie like the OP... Arizona
so I'm a total newb with Sonar.
buy Sonar Pro then spend a grand on plug ins ? I'd rather stay "Long in the tooth"..lol here's an idea... im going to cut corners by purchasing Sonar professional instead of Sonar Platinum...then im going to spend 500.00 on the fab filter bundle. sounds like a great plan. Like I said previous, if given the task of completing a pro project using only Sonar. I could do it no problem. would it sound as good as it would with Waves and Fabfilter ? No.
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2016/11/20 11:28:11
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read my post 
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2016/11/20 11:31:05
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pwalpwal
read my post
good point
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2016/11/20 13:22:26
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It would also be interesting to hear any opinions about the instrument plugins. Which instruments do you use the most? If you don't use any, why not? Here are the instrument plugins that are available in platinum only: - AAS Lounge Lizard Session SONAR Edition
- AAS Strum Acoustic Session SONAR Edition
- AAS Ultra Analog Session 2
- Dimension Pro
- Rapture
- True Pianos (x86, x64)
from: www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Plug-ins.1.html Thanks!
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money?
2016/11/20 14:01:54
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I have and do use all of those. Dim Pro is especially useful.
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2016/11/20 15:19:36
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chuckebaby
Sanderxpander
I would make the same argument but reach the opposite conclusion - if you're going to be using it constantly, buy Pro and get better plugins than those offered with Platinum. Platinum is decent value but if you are really going to go to town you'll end up replacing almost every plugin eventually.
I use a lot of 3rd party plug ins myself and the majority of what I use for plug ins are not the ones shipped with Sonar but I would argue that if given a task of creating a professional project from start / finish only using Sonar and its default Platinum plug ins.
I could easily accomplish this. Do you agree ?
-The Blue Tubes Bundle.
-Sonitus bundle
-Transient Shaper
-VX-64
-TS-64
-PX-64
-Melodyne
-Drum replacer
-Vocal synch
These are good plug ins / Region FX. That I still use at time now. I will even say the Sonitus bundle is a great set of plug ins.
I still use Sonitus the Gate and Delay on 7/10 projects.
Sure the Sonitus plug ins are old, but one could argue; is it because of our familiarity with them, or because of their character that makes them a valuable set of tools. I think both. im sure there is better out there
(I also use Waves Manny Delay + H Delay) But Sonitus does what it should and does it well. Nothing wrong with Sonars plug ins at all.
I agree that you could get something "professional sounding" using just Sonar stuff (at least on the FX side). But you said "if you're going to be using it every day get the best you can". I believe the best would then, most of the time, NOT be a Sonar Platinum plugin. I'm not denying the collection is useful, especially if you want a one stop solution.
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