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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:46:35 (permalink)
Monkey Mash, have you seen their new take on that with the 2 old guys on radio 3 doing hip hop sunday? haha

I still preferred the fast show though.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:48:28 (permalink)
Usb coding is a no brainer...fire wire is a different beast...I'm still fighting my engineer because he want s USB on this high end pre A/D that we are developing, its just much easier for him, but I'm not conceding...we may end up using LAN RJ45 and a linux based ftp system instead.

I'm using SOnar Platinium on a 6 core Lynx Audio machine and a ton of vintage pre-amps/eq's/comps I build for fun and sometimes money, REDD.47/API/Neve I also use the UAD stuff, and also use a Macbook Logic 9 through Apogee...
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:52:39 (permalink)
then the street price will be around $2800. Nevermind!


I think I agree. Unless someone gets one and shows ust that it is the BOMB.

If my FW-1884 continues to work in 8PE like it does (even sans Pause) I'll be happy with my $1300 interface/controller. Oh, yeah I added the machinator upgrade so it was a little more that $1300.

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:54:31 (permalink)
Cannot see that it any better than the mackie universal controller and if its $2800 cannot see many buying as the mackie is much cheaper.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:54:58 (permalink)
I can pick up a hardware Fantom used for a whole lot less than this device.

Who is going to buy this thing? Maybe I'm a luddite, but I can't see a huge market.

Also, interesting how they started taking our $$$ for 8 many days before they announced a new product that comes bundled with 8.

Any of you who shelled out for 8 gonna pay for this product that comes with 8? Not me.

((Off of soapbox now.))

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:56:30 (permalink)
They are giving out 200 dollars for existing sonar 8 users
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:57:26 (permalink)
Sonar 8 users get a $200 discount.

Besides, you would now have two versions of SONAR 8 and can run it on two computers simultaneoulsy (my inane conjecture).

Still, not very enticing for me.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 13:59:12 (permalink)
Ouch, I just thought, what if I was a first time SONAR 8 user and I paid $600 plus. I get $200, off. Arrrgh.

I gues you have to draw the line somewhere though.

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:00:08 (permalink)
strange marketing from sonar I must say
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:01:21 (permalink)

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I can understand why they went for usb2 over firewire, think of how many machines don't ship with firewire as standard.. also the thing with chipset issues and it not being Ti or whatever.
Indeed. Fireware is actually a colossal pain in the ass, and at the root of a lot of people's interface woes.

I love this type of post. Absolutely zero experience, full of shallow opinion. I have no opinion about USB - what I have is thousands of hours of very high profile recordings logged in studio and on-location. As Frank said above drivers can matter - but the fact that USB is the choice sets this product below pro level. Every product in this class from Digi, M-Audio etc are all firewilre
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Whatever. It's a connection that streams data. The speeds are more or less the same. Neither format has any impact on audio quality one way or another. How that makes it not pro level is entirely mysterious to me.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:01:26 (permalink)
Anybody seen whether this will work:
- with non-Sonar hosts?
- or on Macs?

And if it works on Mac, does it come with an audio unit version of the Fantom synth interface?

I can see Windows-only software, and Mac-only software... but NOT hardware... (and frankly other than Sonar and Logic Pro I no longer use any single-platform software).

Hoping I'm missing something.

- zevo
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:02:55 (permalink)
If congress does not pass that bill tonight then farewell to Roland and Cakewalk prices. lol
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:04:37 (permalink)

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I do a good half of my recording to an external drive over USB. It is more than capable, seriously.


Data transfer is NOT the same protocol in firewire as time critical audio or video streaming.
What I was saying is that I record directly to the thing. Time critical audio streaming is exactly what I'm doing with it.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:06:10 (permalink)
I think it looks well thought out and designed, for what it attempts to do. Personally, I wouldn't be enthused about an "all-in-one" approach no matter how well-impemented. If any one section's functionality goes south, you've got to tear into the whole enchilada and you're down until it's repaired. A modular approach allows for improving and/or replacing specific components while leaving others in place. I wonder how large the market is for "all in one" solutions? Maybe larger than I assume.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:06:18 (permalink)
Does anyone know the face behind the masked man running Roland. He is trying to STICK me up for $4,000.00 for a Control surface. He might as well shove a gun in my side and say give me all of your loot and go broke and hungry. LOL

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:06:49 (permalink)
zevo, Brandon was asked the same questions in the video for it. It will work in mackie emulation mode outside of sonar, but the functionality would be less regarding some of the buttons etc.
and works via bootcamp'd mac.. so I guess they haven't made mac drivers (or yet anyway)
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:07:35 (permalink)
Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:08:25 (permalink)

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Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?



I imagine that you could get breakout cable multipliers, no?
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:11:03 (permalink)

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Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?



I imagine that you could get breakout cable multipliers, no?


Are you thinkng as a purchase option or something I have to implement on my own?
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:12:13 (permalink)
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If congress does not pass that bill tonight then farewell to Roland and Cakewalk prices. lol

Do you mean theyll be higher or lower or simply gone?
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:12:22 (permalink)
As Frank said above drivers can matter - but the fact that USB is the choice sets this product below pro level.


Umm....

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:14:40 (permalink)
Cannot see that it any better than the mackie universal controller and if its $2800 cannot see many buying as the mackie is much cheaper.


Well of course the Mackie is cheaper! Look at the feature set!
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:17:22 (permalink)

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Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?



I imagine that you could get breakout cable multipliers, no?


Are you thinkng as a purchase option or something I have to implement on my own?


I tihnk they sell 'em at most music stores, don't they? You know, they've got a single MIDI connector at one ened and a wye into two at the other end. Cheap, if I recall. Maybe I'm all wet, I dunno.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:18:14 (permalink)
Well, in any event, it appears to be the first in a line, so if this one's not one everybody's hot list, then perhaps the next one will be.

If they make a controller that:
- is FW (not taking a side in the debate here... I just use FW, personally)
- is Mac/PC cross-platform
- has an audio unit version of the Fantom synth interface

I'd honestly be quite interested in it.

- zevo
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:18:52 (permalink)
I'm hoping the number of channels of USB doesn't imply that this uses Roland's old compression scheme. I consider that very unlikely since I don't think hardware is nearly as bandwidth limited, but it was what steered me away from thier all-in-one recorders several years ago.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:19:56 (permalink)
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Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?

I imagine that you could get breakout cable multipliers, no?

Are you thinkng as a purchase option or something I have to implement on my own?

I tihnk they sell 'em at most music stores, don't they? You know, they've got a single MIDI connector at one ened and a wye into two at the other end. Cheap, if I recall. Maybe I'm all wet, I dunno.


That's a splitter.
It'll copy the SAME midi data, but won't give you multiple IO, and you'll be limited to 16 midi channels.

- zevo
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:21:59 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: bapu
Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?

I imagine that you could get breakout cable multipliers, no?

Are you thinkng as a purchase option or something I have to implement on my own?

I tihnk they sell 'em at most music stores, don't they? You know, they've got a single MIDI connector at one ened and a wye into two at the other end. Cheap, if I recall. Maybe I'm all wet, I dunno.


That's a splitter.
It'll copy the SAME midi data, but won't give you multiple IO, and you'll be limited to 16 midi channels.

- zevo

Well that's no bueno.
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:22:30 (permalink)
I see no difference between this new sonar device and the mackie except the flashy motor handle for xray on the screen
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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:23:22 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: bapu
Anyone notice that it's only got one MIDI in and out? Or, did I miss something?

I imagine that you could get breakout cable multipliers, no?

Are you thinkng as a purchase option or something I have to implement on my own?

I tihnk they sell 'em at most music stores, don't they? You know, they've got a single MIDI connector at one ened and a wye into two at the other end. Cheap, if I recall. Maybe I'm all wet, I dunno.


That's a splitter.
It'll copy the SAME midi data, but won't give you multiple IO, and you'll be limited to 16 midi channels.

- zevo


Yeah, I think if you want more than 16 MIDI channels you have to have the hardware architecture to support that. It appears this unit does not (IMO).

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RE: Sonar / Roland Hardware BUT!!! 2008/10/03 14:24:21 (permalink)
Thing is you can digitally and remotely control you Analog inputs, the only things that allow that at the moment, are very high end digital preamps like the Focusrite Liquid Mix Pre, etc.

It also has a full monitoring system.

I dunno for me as someone who was looking to build my own home studio out back, just a simple shack with a control room and a live room, the idea that I could have all my inputs coming through this, and control surface for tracking and mixing, and it all integrated with Sonar, well thats just awesome.

The only other way to get that kind of control is some of teh SSL/Digidesign stuff, which is much more expensive.

G
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