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Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
Peculiar issue -- if you accidentally set Now Time far out, it can have bad effects on playback and response. Happens occasionally if a fat-fingered keystroke changes bar 400 to bar 4000.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 10:26:37
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I have never played back way beyond the end of a song. I guess I never thought there was anything to play there except silence. If you seem unable to control what your fingers do W will get you back to the start.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 11:52:39
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I can't replicate a problem starting playback after measure 4000 with Stop at Project End disabled. With it enabled, the project rewinds before starting playback. So do you have Stop at Project End enabled or disabled, and what does "bad effects on playback and response" mean?
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 13:10:33
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A simple observation --- in an ordinary, but full, project, an accidental assignment of now time way past the end of the project cause odd behaviour --- a good long time (many seconds) to recover normal behaviour. Yes, pushing play will go back to the beginning, yes, so will using the rewind shortcut, but neither work as expected and as normal playback had been working before the accidental now time assignment. Please don't try to criticize it, misdirect it, or minimize it. Just let it stand as a user's observation, for what it's worth.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 13:38:37
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You should be a beta tester for Cakewalk because you do things I'd never imagine doing, and on a regular basis to boot. Seriously, it might help them and feed your desire to find issues that need fixing.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 13:46:39
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Something like this is not a 'desire to find issues', it is more a 'desire to identify issues' when they arise, regardless how. But thanks for the kudos! For these past several months, I've also been nearly a full time user of Sonar, maybe 60 hours a week -- so issues do arise.
post edited by williamcopper - 2015/12/19 14:00:06
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 14:02:49
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williamcopper
A simple observation --- in an ordinary, but full, project, an accidental assignment of now time way past the end of the project cause odd behaviour --- a good long time (many seconds) to recover normal behaviour. Yes, pushing play will go back to the beginning, yes, so will using the rewind shortcut, but neither work as expected and as normal playback had been working before the accidental now time assignment.
Please don't try to criticize it, misdirect it, or minimize it. Just let it stand as a user's observation, for what it's worth.
Sounds to me like you screwed up your computer/project/session by doing something dumb. When I do dumb things that overpower the system I get wacky behavior as well. When I do dumb things like that I don't blame Sonar. I revert back to an earlier version of the project (if necessary) then avoid doing that dumb thing in the future. You are dredging for problems and you cannot blame people for calling you out on it. Alex (who unfortunately went off the rails and got banninated) used to test Sonar extensively to find bugs but he was honest about it, kept a log, reported the issues and did it all in a transparent fashion that led to many issues resolved and the new Problem Reports sub forum. What you are doing is unscientific kvetching and quite likely trolling. You are not helping anything. You are wasting valuable forum members time that could be spent helping people who ACTUALLY need it and flooding Google searches with false "bug + Sonar" results. This has been brought up to you MANY times. Cut it out.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 14:26:49
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williamcopper
A simple observation --- in an ordinary, but full, project, an accidental assignment of now time way past the end of the project cause odd behaviour --- a good long time (many seconds) to recover normal behaviour. Yes, pushing play will go back to the beginning, yes, so will using the rewind shortcut, but neither work as expected and as normal playback had been working before the accidental now time assignment.
Please don't try to criticize it, misdirect it, or minimize it. Just let it stand as a user's observation, for what it's worth.
When anything is posted it is open to criticism or remedy or a fix. Most posters are here because they are looking for answers and help in finding those answers. I really don't know what is "expected behavior" when something bazaar is done and by accident to boot. Most people would correct the error they did and move on. Reporting it is useful if it is truly reported to improve the software. Its not so helpful when it can be seen as pilling on; pilling on criticism after criticism. It also has the side effect of the boy that cried wolf to often. People don't care what is found by the crier after awhile. I guess behavior of the poster over time begins to form a pattern that people see better and come to conclusions about. A balanced view without the commentary may go a long way in making such posters find a better reception. I have seen members try to explain this to you and it seems to fall on deaf ears. You haven't breached the CoC as far as I can tell thus you are free to post as you like. However, your influence here is slowing being eroded by the way you post. I hope that others are able to not post in response except in ways that might help solve the many problems you seem to have. No one should attack you for they will then be in breach of the CoC.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 14:28:33
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Come on Beeps, it's Christmas. Why not give the benefit of the doubt. Willy does come up with actual issues when doing his work and should bring those issues into the light. We may all benefit from his discoveries one day.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 14:48:29
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Come on Beeps, it's Christmas. Why not give the benefit of the doubt. Willy does come up with actual issues when doing his work and should bring those issues into the light. We may all benefit from his discoveries one day.
I do not deny he does stumble across some legit issues in his travels. I've confirmed a few of them myself. I just think his approach is rather supect, combative and dishonest. This is why I consider him a "dredger". He scours the program for any tiny little thing that COULD be construed as undesirable behavior then blows it up to be a massive, work impeding "b*g". Often times he simply is making mistakes in procedure or logic or not understanding how the program works. When he DOES discover an actual bug trying to get reproduceable steps from him or even a proper description of the issue is like pulling teeth. He then refuses to report it (usually), slags Sonar (usually) and forum members (often times) and acts like he's "helping". I have however rarely seen him extend a helping hand to another user and the few times it seems like he is it is usually attached to some kind of dig at Sonar or other users. It should also be noted that although I am not a Xtian and don't really observe Xmas I am not a heartless scrooge so Happy Christmas ya'll... even Willie... but it's only the 19th.... lulz. Peace.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 14:53:06
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Right we have some time left. 
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 15:16:52
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John
Right we have some time left.
Merry Festivus, old friend! ...and now for the raising of the traditional aluminum pole.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 15:25:39
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You too Beep. Good to see you.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 17:54:15
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Regardless of religious orientations, I consider Christmas time the best excuse to be nice to others. I'm a diabetic but I don't begrudge people enjoying a candy cane. 
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 19:39:02
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It's not really surprising that an unexpected output results from an unexpected input.
For example, here's a reproducible bug: Have SONAR set up so there's no interface output it recognizes, e.g., you're using an internal WDM-only sound card but have preferences set to ASIO. Now drag a groove clip into a track and render it. SONAR will add silence at the beginning.
I reported it to Cakewalk, but don't consider it a bug because doing edits in a system where you can't hear what SONAR is doing seems kind of pointless. I'd much rather have CW prioritize fixing issues that impact operations done under normal circumstances, not issues that result from people doing dumb things.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/19 20:34:34
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Beepster
What you are doing is unscientific kvetching and quite likely trolling.
You are not helping anything. You are wasting valuable forum members time that could be spent helping people who ACTUALLY need it and flooding Google searches with false "bug + Sonar" results.
This has been brought up to you MANY times. Cut it out. Beepster, I think I know what bothers you, and williamcopper is not alone in these traits: An unjustified presumption of infallibility, combined with mean-spirited comments about the competence of Cakewalk's developers. But paradoxically, he sticks with SONAR - and presumably because he gets deeper into it than other programs, is not aware that the degree of issues he encounters is par for the course with all but the simplest programs. Also paradoxically, he's a power user on one level yet is also unaware of extremely basic program functionality (like the ProChannel having a global bypass button). I agree with Ampfixer that in theory, he would make a good beta tester because he's exploring the outer reaches of the program, but unfortunately linguisitic clarity is not his strong point, so many of the threads he starts about "bugs" require lots of back-and-forth to figure out what he's talking about, and whether it is actually a real bug, a lack of understanding of the program, or simply behavior that is not what he expects. However, from time to time he comes up with useful insights, even if they are packaged in a way that's insulting to Cakewalk and have at least the appearance of being self-aggrandizing. He probably won't change, so I suggest you either accept who he is and appreciate that at least he uses the program in challenging ways, or block his messages so your blood pressure stays within an acceptable range. To quote Darth Vader (given that Yoda is participating in this thread, it's the least I can do): "If he could be turned, he would be a powerful ally." Turning would simply mean a little more humility, and refraining from insulting the dedicated people who work for the company that hosts this forum.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/20 00:55:36
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Anderton
I reported it to Cakewalk, but don't consider it a bug because doing edits in a system where you can't hear what SONAR is doing seems kind of pointless. I'd much rather have CW prioritize fixing issues that impact operations done under normal circumstances, not issues that result from people doing dumb things.
I (really) appreciate your independance towards Cakewalk, but if something is possible, some poor soul will stumble upon it and spend a weekend wondering what the heck is going on. So whether or not a situation is unlikely or dumb, a producer must strive to eliminate the possibility. And really, no action performed by a user can be considered dumb since you have to be experienced to know if it was dumb or not.
post edited by Paul P - 2015/12/20 01:08:55
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/21 01:00:28
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LOL, I read Craig's post and was laughing at the end then realized I missed who the poster was and scrolled back up.. I should have known already... the Vader quote was the icing on the cake.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/21 01:23:08
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I need to spend another 37 hrs a day with Sonar, so I can talk with more credibility in these wacky threads. I don't even know what 'lulz' means ;-D
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/21 02:56:37
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mixmkr
I don't even know what 'lulz' means ;-D
It's Beepster's variation on LOL.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/21 05:08:20
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Beepster
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Come on Beeps, it's Christmas. Why not give the benefit of the doubt. Willy does come up with actual issues when doing his work and should bring those issues into the light. We may all benefit from his discoveries one day.
I do not deny he does stumble across some legit issues in his travels. I've confirmed a few of them myself. I just think his approach is rather supect, combative and dishonest.
This is why I consider him a "dredger". He scours the program for any tiny little thing that COULD be construed as undesirable behavior then blows it up to be a massive, work impeding "b*g".
Often times he simply is making mistakes in procedure or logic or not understanding how the program works.
When he DOES discover an actual bug trying to get reproduceable steps from him or even a proper description of the issue is like pulling teeth. He then refuses to report it (usually), slags Sonar (usually) and forum members (often times) and acts like he's "helping".
I have however rarely seen him extend a helping hand to another user and the few times it seems like he is it is usually attached to some kind of dig at Sonar or other users.
It should also be noted that although I am not a Xtian and don't really observe Xmas I am not a heartless scrooge so Happy Christmas ya'll... even Willie...
but it's only the 19th.... lulz.
Peace.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/21 22:07:25
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Paul P
I (really) appreciate your independance towards Cakewalk, but if something is possible, some poor soul will stumble upon it and spend a weekend wondering what the heck is going on. So whether or not a situation is unlikely or dumb, a producer must strive to eliminate the possibility. And really, no action performed by a user can be considered dumb since you have to be experienced to know if it was dumb or not. Well, I think that my using SONAR without having it hooked into an interface was pretty dumb...I just can't imagine someone wanting to work in SONAR and not expect to hear what's going on. So I assume someone's first concern if they're not hearing any audio would be "why am I not hearing audio?" Once that was solved, the issue of a groove clip that renders incorrectly when SONAR doesn't see an audio interface would no longer exist. Which brings up the question of why I even encountered this issue...I use my laptop with an ASIO interface at the office, but often answer forum questions away from my studio or the office, so it's just the internal sound card. I'll boot up SONAR to answer a question and take a screen shot or whatever, but don't bother to reset the preferences. That said, Noel did consider it a bug, but I would hope that it lives waaaaaaaaay down in the list of priorities. I don't think a common use of SONAR is to take screen shots from a program that can't function in order to answer forum questions. However, who knows...maybe it's a data point that will come in handy when fixing some other bug that does matter, which is why I reported it. But in general, I think "bugs" due to pilot error should take a back seat to bugs due to program errors.
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/22 11:57:35
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williamcopper
A simple observation --- in an ordinary, but full, project, an accidental assignment of now time way past the end of the project cause odd behaviour --- a good long time (many seconds) to recover normal behaviour. Yes, pushing play will go back to the beginning, yes, so will using the rewind shortcut, but neither work as expected and as normal playback had been working before the accidental now time assignment.
Please don't try to criticize it, misdirect it, or minimize it. Just let it stand as a user's observation, for what it's worth.
I still don't understand what happens ...
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Re: Sonar - Set "Now Time" far beyond end of project --- seems to upset playback
2015/12/22 12:25:35
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I saw a very slight delay - maybe 2-3 seconds at the most - before the project rewound and started playback. Possibly the delay gets longer with greater project complexity or other factors.
post edited by brundlefly - 2015/12/22 12:37:39
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