Sonar Track Pictures? Unhelpful and inaccurate?

One would guess at automation (clip or track or bus) zeroing gain/volume until that point...

Line noise.

KPerry
One would guess at automation (clip or track or bus) zeroing gain/volume until that point...

Yes, it seems the OP is requesting that non-destructive volume/gain processing affect the displayed waveform amplitude, as do clip fades. I believe this has been formally requested in the FR forum.

Yes, I would not like it to default to showing a flat waveform for a number of reasons.

And wouldn't having auto updating wave graphics take up extra processing power that could be better used processing audio? If so... double fudge that.
 

Actually I had forgotten because I'm in tracking mode at the moment but the fact that the wave graphic updates to reflect fades kind of annoys me. It makes it harder to see if I've slip edited out a noise or not and a lot of the time I have to pull back the fade to see exactly where little guitar noises occur at the end of a clip because the fade isn't totally removing them. They aren't visible because the faded graphic has made the noise too small/smooth to see clearly but it is still audible. So I pull back the fade, crop closer then have to redo the fade.
 
Maybe there is an option to disable that but the default is for fades to adjust the graphic. You guit players probably know what I'm talking about.

What I'd really like is to have the "draw waveform" button for synths and buses available on regular audio tracks. So you could either see what we have now, or you could switch tracks into "draw waveform" mode. That would be handy for all kinds of stuff.

Beepster
Oh... that's what we're talking about?
 
Pardon my Frunch but fudge that! I need to know if a clip has noise on it even if I've used whatever means to make it inaudible.
 
You can just bounce the clip if that's what you want and disable any effects or other crap you don't want printed onto the rendered clip. I personally snip out anything I don't want to see/hear as much as possible. Then I do my fades/automation or if I'm sending a file for someone else to produce I snip as close to the wanted data as possible then export so they can do whatever the heck they want but they still don't have to look at my hums, squeaks and generally squonks.

I am also against making this a default feature...
 
It would take me about 5 minutes to forget that the
track display is a real-time art show and destructively
edit something that didn't need messing with.
I want to see all the data.
 
Assuming all DAWs work the same is a mistake;
Believing they all SHOULD work the same is
pie in the sky, and a rabbit hole.
 
Mel
 
 
Edit: I DO see how the feature would work for a CONDUCTOR.

And if the picture indicates, crudely, "this is an audio track" and nothing more, then why are there patterns in the picture, as if the sound is fluctuating?
 

If I expand the track fully, then the waveform is more accurate ... but it is at this level of view (the OP) that the problem arises. 

I'll check out whether tempo changes have an effect ... I do use a lot of "drawn" tempos in the tempo track ...  just now downloading the Everett fix, to see if things are better with PRV & Controllers ..

Yes, confirmed too:  I deleted all tempo changes and got a smooth picture, zero line, same project, no difference in the audio at all.
 
My original tempo changes were not dramatic, but were 'drawn' in the tempo window ...
 
Bug, correct?
 

Well ... in this same project, it seems to slow everything display oriented to a crawl, and then shows the same picture ... adding injury to insult.     Now making a track larger/smaller takes a few seconds to display!   [edit] ok exaggeration, but a good 3/4 of a second to do a display thing that should be instant
 
 

Yes, a bad one in some ways:   in an all-audio project, experimentally I deleted all tempo changes up to a point --- the project played flawlessly up to that point, then when the tempo changes began again, playback became weird, the display failed to keep up.    This is a project for which the tempo changes make no difference, it's all audio.    So yes I could delete all tempo changes, but it is one of a group that are all in sync by way of tempo change ... so I don't want to delete the tempo changes in the final mix!

maybe OT, but I find the way Sonar has an automation "dominate" everything else quite annoying. Once you have a automation line nothing in the clips can be touched/edited/changed etc...and if it is a Simple Instrument Track, you cannot even adjust gain.