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Sonar: UWP
I hope there is a UWP version of Cakewalk Sonar in the works.
Be the first major DAW to support UWP!!!
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mrdrwest@hotmail.com
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/30 17:20:00
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Oh, I forgot. FL Studio beat you to it with FL Studio Mobile 3.
But, I consider Sonar to be the big gun of the DAW world.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/30 17:21:33
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Is there some reason for that? As far as I can see win apps are very limited. They have use but as a DAW I'm not so sure.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/30 18:50:43
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The apps you've provided no examples of (I know what you mean) are limited because developers haven't taken to it. Image-Line on the other hand have shown what's possible with modern UWP apps in both Groove Studio (no longer available) and FL Studio Mobile 3 which runs on W10 desktop and mobile.
Sometimes developers act like old people longing for the past and familiar. UWP is here now: A modern application model. Developers must meet the challenge.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/30 20:25:10
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mrdrwest@hotmail.com
Sometimes developers act like old people longing for the past and familiar. UWP is here now: A modern application model. Developers must meet the challenge.
How do you know they aren't? You might want to ask Steam what they think of UWP...there are still issues that need to be worked out. The November Windows 10 update was a start, but if I was a developer, I wouldn't touch it for at least another year and give it a chance to settle down and gain acceptance. I just don't think the demand is there yet.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/30 20:43:58
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Ummm, it has to start somewhere. First it was sticks and beads. Then it was mechanical gears and actuators. Then tubes and transistors. Then integrated circuits and CPUs. Then flip switch programming, card reader, and assembly language. Then high level languages and frameworks.
Developers need to step up.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/30 20:49:42
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What I'm interested in are mainstream UWP apps that meet consumer needs, even if they're "reimagined".
This isn't about demand. The UWP is a new Windows 10 application model for devices. Windows 10 desktop has a large user base.
I want to see some creative modern/reimagined apps written for the UWP.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/31 07:35:42
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I can't see the point of a complex program like Sonar or any DAW for that matter being able to run on Windows Phone 10 as well as Win10
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/31 08:24:35
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/01/31 09:59:48
I own FL Studio for my Android - I could see the ease with which it (FLS) would be made available for a windows phone. IMO, "Sonar" on the other hand would need to be pared way back to just (eg) the Step Sequencer/Matrix to work effectively in that environment. More like Project 5 than Sonar. While I personally would love this, I would go iOS and Android way, way way ahead of UWP simply because of the relative numbers of the user base and therefore the size of the potential market.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/31 11:41:12
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This would 100% be near the very bottom of my priority list. Like was already mentioned, you'd have to reduce Sonar to something like a step sequencer to make it useful and honestly, that's not its strongest suit and definitely not what I use most. I couldn't conceive of multitracking drums or even doing serious vocal production on a phone or small tablet.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/01/31 12:02:47
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OK have you tried to print from a win app? How about copy and paste from different apps. I have Fl Studio 12. I don't think the mobile version is anything like it. I also had Groove Studio. It looked nice but was not all that useful. I didn't bother with their mobile version.
I don't know the technical issues with Win RT but I can't find a single Win RT app that can replace a full desktop program. Maybe in the future but for now there just are none.
I would much rather CW did a Mac version of Sonar first. That is saying a lot for me.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/04 11:47:42
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And there lies the common misconception of the UWP. It's an application model that can target multiple devices of developers choosing. Why would you assume I or any reasonably thinking person would want such a complex application as Sonar on a phone?!
That's just unreasonable.
Now I can see a new DAW built with the mobile user in mind (small screen 5"-11") from Cakewalk.
See Image-Line's FL Mobile 3 and Allihoopa's Figure as examples of a true UWP apps for mobile and desktop: They're both well done.
I want to see a UWP desktop version of Sonar.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/04 11:58:07
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John
OK have you tried to print from a win app? How about copy and paste from different apps. I have Fl Studio 12. I don't think the mobile version is anything like it. I also had Groove Studio. It looked nice but was not all that useful. I didn't bother with their mobile version.
I don't know the technical issues with Win RT but I can't find a single Win RT app that can replace a full desktop program. Maybe in the future but for now there just are none.
I would much rather CW did a Mac version of Sonar first. That is saying a lot for me.
Yes, I have printed from UWP apps. Yes, I have copied and pasted from different UWP apps. Developers of the legacy Win32 application model are stuck in the old ways. Win32 is old, familiar, and still profitable. But Win32 is a hot mess as an application model. The UWP is the now and future of Windows applications. I want to see a heavy hitter step up!
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/04 12:07:55
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Do you understand the UWP is ***not*** about creating modern apps that ***must*** run on everything?
It's about creating modern applications that can, at developers choosing, run on ***targeted*** Windows 10 devices. I don't understand why so many think a complex application such as Sonar for example would make a good UWP app to run on a phone or tablet. That's ridiculous.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/04 12:08:03
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no heavy hitter will stand up for a fruitcake.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/04 12:41:58
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How much are UWP apps selling for these days? Anything in the $300-$500 range?
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 04:28:27
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mrdrwest@hotmail.com
I hope there is a UWP version of Cakewalk Sonar in the works.
Be the first major DAW to support UWP!!!
Hmmmm. Is there really a market for this? Windows has hardly taken over the mobile OS world. That aside, even given an electron microscpoe, I still could not locate my interest in Sonar on a phone:)
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 09:29:33
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i bet you could feel the waves of rage from the OP when you said "phone" again.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 09:49:02
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John
OK have you tried to print from a win app? How about copy and paste from different apps. I have Fl Studio 12. I don't think the mobile version is anything like it. I also had Groove Studio. It looked nice but was not all that useful. I didn't bother with their mobile version.
I don't know the technical issues with Win RT but I can't find a single Win RT app that can replace a full desktop program. Maybe in the future but for now there just are none.
I would much rather CW did a Mac version of Sonar first. That is saying a lot for me.
Yes, I have printed from UWP apps. Yes, I have copied and pasted from different UWP apps.
Developers of the legacy Win32 application model are stuck in the old ways. Win32 is old, familiar, and still profitable. But Win32 is a hot mess as an application model. The UWP is the now and future of Windows applications.
I want to see a heavy hitter step up!
Please list the apps you know that can print and copy and paste between them? I would really like to know.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 10:29:12
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Brando
i bet you could feel the waves of rage from the OP when you said "phone" again.
I did say it with a smile though:)
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 10:35:49
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mrdrwest@hotmail.com
Do you understand the UWP is ***not*** about creating modern apps that ***must*** run on everything?
It's about creating modern applications that can, at developers choosing, run on ***targeted*** Windows 10 devices. I don't understand why so many think a complex application such as Sonar for example would make a good UWP app to run on a phone or tablet. That's ridiculous.
So aside from a PC, which devices do you suggest a complex application like Sonar should target that would make this worthwhile?
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 11:48:09
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Interesting idea, but don't think the demand is there for Windows DAWs in all form factors. In fact, according to this MS article, development for PC desktop Win32 is still possible using the new platform. So it is possible to use modern tools and continue development without falling behind. It's simply what device family API's you target your app for. So using the same codebase, you can target smaller form factors (or not) as you wish. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/get-started/universal-application-platform-guide A good comparison can be made with Apple. Even though there seems to be an active music app and device ecosystem growing up around the iPad and iOS, that is still a distinct OS from the desktop MacOSX. But even Android doesn't seem to be keeping up there. So where is the demand for Windows devices going to come from?
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/02/05 20:38:16
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Microsoft is in desperate need of a Department of Acronyms. UWP? C'mon, how do you pronounce that? "Ooohp"? "youwip"? How can someone write programs for something they can't pronounce?
As a public service I hereby give to Microsoft, with no encumbrances or claims of ownership, the following alternative identifier for these types of programs: UniWin. Runner-up: UniForm (universal platform, geddit?)
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/03/01 06:12:59
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Oh, that's just so wrong.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/03/01 06:17:16
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LOL.
Like Desired State Configuration (DSC), Chef, and Puppet. They all enforce configuration settings on servers.
Guess which one is Microsoft's?
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/03/01 09:02:17
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Other than PC's what runs Win 10?
Win 10 phone that's all.
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Re: Sonar: UWP
2017/03/01 09:10:24
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Im actually a huge fan of UWP. I dont think there will be a version of Sonar ever but I sure would want one. I always felt there's to much legacy code in Sonar. Old stuff that seems like it hasnt been touched by a coder in ages.
I do a lot of digital painting and all the UWP painting apps I use have much better performance than their desktop alternatives like Sketchbook etc. They just have a better feel to them.
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