Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66

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Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66

I can pick up one of these pretty cheap and wanted input from actual users.
I do mostly vst instruments (10-30 tracks), with some audio(2-8 tracks, but only recording 2 at a time).
I need an interface thats firewire, dependable, and can do 24/192.

I'm curious about the FA-66 cause its the cheapest option I saw with the above, however I have seen issues posted with Win7 64bit drivers. Also why does the Cakewalk brand have different drivers from the Roland version? Is there a significant difference between the 2?
I'm looking at this as more of a cheap temporary solution, while I watch what develops next year in the spring.

I'm leaning towards the MOTU 828mk3, cause I can link MOTU units for later expansion, including video (like the V4HD). How are the drivers for this in win7 64bit? How do you like it with Sonar X1? How dependable is this as firewire? (my PC has great firewire with tech support).
I've seen people say there are issues with using this as USB. IF I had a laptop would I be better off with firewire for this?

Thanks

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    adrian4u
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/07 17:44:02 (permalink)
    1. I have great experience with Edirol interfaces - drivers are well-written, no problems, good headroom, very good quality...

    2. I have MOTU 828mk3 FW (not Hybrid) already. It's a masterpiece...
    - GREAT CueMIX console which uses MOTU internal DSP to realise EQ, dynamics and reverb - for recording or monitoring purposes.
    - you can do up to 8 stereo mixes at a time with very flexible routing
    - CueMIX software allows you to control MOTU internal mixer using any "Mackie mode" controllers - original MCU or even Behringer BCF2000. So - even using only interface and controller - you have pretty nice MIXER. Off course it's good to connect it to computer to see what's happening.
    (I didn't try to run standalone WavesRack as a EFX processor yet, but... I had no reason)
    - I've added Edirol UA-1000 as a ADAT IN and Behringer ADA8000 as ADAT IN-OUT, so for now I have 30IN-18out - works great.
    - I can use external processors and add them to mix (sending instruments to process via one bus, returning with bus to channels of main mix)
    - in DAW aplication, in ASIO mode, with 64samples buffer, you get total only 5,6ms latency - from input to output. I suggest to don't use DirectX/MME or other drivers with DAWs.

    Just be sure that you've installed latest drivers and latest firmware.

    - one thing - I think phones preamps should be louder - but when I connect my Beyerdynamic DT-770pro/80ohms - it's loud, but it ould be louder
    - second thing - front input set to "insrument" seems to be to sensitive. Even if GAIN is set to minimal value, guitar with humbuckers can run on "yellows"

    I bought my MOTU for +/- 600$ and it was one of my best transactions.

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    adrian4u
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/07 17:55:59 (permalink)
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    one thing - I don't think you can link MOTU equipment - only 8pre - as a standalone 8-channels preamp.
    I suggest if you want to add extension IO - you can look for lucid ada 8824 - maybe it's up to 48kHz, but sounds greater than een Apogee, and costs much less than 1000$

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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/07 18:44:02 (permalink)
    Happy FA-66 user here for just about a year now. Smooth, trouble-free operation and very good quality.

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    RevBob
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/07 22:43:25 (permalink)
    @ adrian - on the 828, can you rout the outputs as 1 stereo pair and the other 6 for 5.1 surround? How quiet is signal input if not using the pre's? Can you bypass the pre's? @ geo - Are you using the Cakewalk brand or the Roland? How are the pre's? Thank you both for you input. Would love to get more from other users...

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    michael japan
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/08 02:23:54 (permalink)
    FA 66 I've had little quirks that I've had to work around and happily sold it--thought it would work great since it is the same company. I have 2 MOTU 828MKII's that have been workhorses for years. I would not suggest using a USB audio interface or to state differently, I think firewire is a better choice.

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    adrian4u
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/08 04:05:08 (permalink)
    @ RevBob 1. I don't know - I think it's just about routing - you have 10 separate OUTS + phones outs. Toy can do up to 8 different stereo mixes, but I've never tried with 5.1 or 7.1, but i know it's possible. Just go to MOTU site and look at manual for MOTU and for CueMIX software 2. you have only 2 pres. I use one for mic, second for guitar. And on the back you have 8 line-level inputs. How loud they are? ghmmm - in CueMIX you can set up GAIN to get expected results. I have no problem with loud outputs from Korg Z1 and very quiet outputs from microX 3. FRONT inputs - they can be set up to MIC (with 20dB pad andGAIN) or INSTRUMENT. They're pretty loud. 4. Personally I used Edirol M16-DX and Edirol UA-1000, I had Edirol FA-101 for tests. No problems with all three at all

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    RevBob
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/08 21:06:37 (permalink)
    @ Adrian - Thanks for the overview.

    So interesting facts: Motu audio gear can be daisy chained via fire wire, up to 3 units. While they don't share the same mixer, but cascade inputs, they do all share sync with host. The V4HD can be run as an audio device as above, but requires its own direwire port when running video. You can actually set the 8 outs to 1 single stereo mix (2channel) and a 5.1 mix (6 channel).

    Still interested in a few more peoples input on the 828mk3 - not that I don't truest you guys, its just that I have seen forums of people ****ing about both the FA-66 and the 828mk3 - and I am trying to establish a base line of Sonar X1 64bit users.
    Thanks again...

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    grayzer
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/09 02:07:17 (permalink)
    I haven't the 828mk3, I have the 828mk2, the 8pre and the 828mk1. So you can tell I trust MOTU products, I'm not a fan per se, but they are relliable workhorses.

    Few 828 user have gotten the daisychain feature to work, esp not opn PC's. I think some people have gotten it to worjk with third party video drivers but it's down the rabbit hole you go with that one. Don't expect that feature to work for you.

    However I have the 8pre slaved to the 828mk2 via 2 fibre optic cable and that works, and the extra input show up un cuemix and sonar so I have one rare occasions recorded 20 ausio inputs live into my laptop with no hiccups. So recording two inputs is a doddle.

    The 828mk3 and the 896mk3 certainly look sweet but I'm happy with my set uop for now and I don't want to disrupt it just yet!

    Another issue with 828s - although the mk1 is absolutely silent, there are varying degrees of hum from the later units...not loud but definitely discernible a meter away from the units.so you would need some distance and isolation between a cranked mic and a motu unit.

    Super low latency for tracking...

    All in all I can recommend these despite their imperfections.

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    adrian4u
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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/09 04:19:53 (permalink)
    @ GRAYZER - this "humming" in most cases is caused by CAPACITORS and power supply. If you don't affraid, open your MOTU and look at capacitors - if tops look like bubbles - you can start to think about replacing them with new one. I've read many times that every single problem with 828mk2 is because of power supply. Most drastic (my friend had it) is that MOTU doesn't want to run, has serious problems with working and connecting to computer etc. With MOTU 828mk3 - there is no "humming" issues.

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    Re:Sonar X1 Win7 64bit Users - opinions on Motu 828mk3 and the Roland/Edirol FA-66 2011/11/09 08:17:04 (permalink)
    I don't have the 828mk3, I have the Ultralite Mk3 so it's not exactly the same, but some of the architecture and drivers are the same.  I love it!  I wasn't 100% thrilled with it when I first got it because latency was not the best, but MOTU released new drivers since I got it and they are much better.

    but even with the older drivers the system was completely stable and sounded fantastic!  I wish I had gone for the 828 instead of the Ultralite, but maybe some day in the future I'll get one.

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