Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one?

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November 12, 11 3:29 AM (permalink)

Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one?

Hi All

I recently got a bargain tc electronic impact twin DI and I wondered if any one had found  (or written) a good set-up guide for using it with Sonar X1? 

My VS-20 was very simple to set-up and understand but the impact twin seems to have a few differences and quirks which I'm taking a lot of time to get around and maybe a good ref manual would solve this.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

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Rob

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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 12, 11 9:20 AM (permalink)
    I would think you could find the twin manual on the TC site.  The forum there is pretty dead, but the TC mods do stop by.  I'll look for the manual the next time I check, but I am on the road today.

    The TC stuff is good - I have the 48.  The mixer is increadibly complex, maybe even convoluted, but a lot like RME's totalmix (what is it w/ the teutonic mind?).  If the mixer is anything like the 48, it can get confusing simply because you can do so much but it doesn't follow the hardware mixer format.

    Can you explain exactly what you are having problems w/?  Or is it the drivers?

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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 12, 11 3:41 PM (permalink)
    Hi There

    Thanks for the feedback on the forum.

    I had downloaded the following manual (but obviously it isn't Sonar specific) but hey I'll go through it to see what I don't know by just plugging things in and twiddling the knobs.
    http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/Impact_Twin_US.pdf

    So far I'm finding my issues are with not understanding the Patch-Bay Module well enough to figure out where the signal is being routed... experiments have taught me that the headphones and output to monitor speakers can be selected separately so I guess I need to concentrate on that section of the manual.

    My main issue was getting the basics set up inputs/outputs routing.

    Software or driver wise I've had the odd hanging and one BSOD (I'm on a Quad Q9000 with Win7 64 Ultimate with a i-Link to the firewire port to the ITwin) but this isn't the main problem as that is between the seat and the keyboard :) hence I was looking for an idiots guide specifically for Sonar.

    Getting there though but any advice and tips welcome.

     

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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 12, 11 4:46 PM (permalink)
    These are two different animals.  SONAR only hooks up to what it sees from the drivers from TC.  Use (in SONAR) Options>Audio and run through the various pages to make sure the TC is connected.  You can rename stuff if you need to, but the drivers (ASIO is usually best) are the key.  SONAR doesn't connect any differnet w/ the TC than any other interface.  Be sure if you are using ASIO that only the TC drivers are enabled, since ASIO only allows one set of drivers to be active.  Disable your on-card drivers if they are active.

    I've got the TCK 48 and routing is confusing.  I don't know how the twin differs.  I found printing out the routing pages and having them in front of me was helpful.

    A quick glance at the manual shows the same kind of set up.  TC gives you a digital mixer - that is the main page and everything but the patch bay is for inputs.  Forget the digtial ins for the moment.  In the 48 inputs disappear if you don't have anything plugge into them - I don't know if the twin is the same but that can be confusing.  It doesn't look like this is the case for the Twin.  All the analog inputs go into the TC mixer and you can add EQ and effects per channel.

    The patchbay is where the action is.  If it doesn't make sense to you then we are starting from scratch.  Highlighting the patchbay nobs allows signals to flow through them.   If you want to hear the mic plugged into preamp 1 you have to toggle it on.  With typical teutonic effeciency the signal goes up - not down as one (or i, anyway) would expect.  It must be mimicing a hardware patchbay standing on its end.  That sends the mic input to the line output 1.  I suppose you have your amp/speaker hooked up to that output as the left mains channel.  The signal should go straight through.  It should also go to SONAR in 1 in  SONAR if you have done Options>Audio correctly.

    Coming back out from SONAR you also have to toggle on the DAW main (FW 1& 2 I would think in TC speak).  You can go to the TC forum for more help in getting the most out of the twin.  Just remember it is a mixer, a zero latency mixer using the direct mix, and sends the same signal to SONAR.  THe signal from SONAR is also goes directly to the TC unit - but you have to assign it in the TC Patchbay.  You have two mixers (TC and SONAR) to deal with, but the connection between them should be automatic.  SONAR has a direct mode as does TC, and that can cause no end of confusion.  You'll know it when you hear it since you'll hear an echo.

    Hope this isn't too confusing - I'm working it out in my head as I was looking at it.  But the connections between SONAR and the TC is done in options audio and then you can forget about it.  SONAR's mixer is pretty simply.  The TC is more confusing since it does more - hardware eq and reverb, compression, direct outs and mixer outs.

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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 12, 11 10:41 PM (permalink)
    Hi AT

    Thanks a lot for you assistance as your advice made me look at this in the tc IT way and now I'l streaming 3x audio analogue tracks from the old 4 track machine into mono tracks in Sonar X1E :)

    The patch panel had me to begin with but now I realise it's essentially just a monitoring/routing point and I now LIKE IT!! 

    Once I'd tackled a few latency issues I got a good recording apart from the occasional crackle and pop so I'm now trying to hunt down the device or adaptor that's causing that. DPC checkers are great for letting you know there's a problem but I just wish I could find one which identified which bit of hardware was causing the problems. I've tried all the usual culprits (wifi/LAN/bluetooth etc) but still seeing the odd DPC peak out so will soldier on.

    Thanks for getting me this far :-) You a gent.

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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 12, 11 11:36 PM (permalink)
    Cool.  Have fun.  old 4 track - even funner.

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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 13, 11 3:26 AM (permalink)
    Dionin



    So far I'm finding my issues are with not understanding the Patch-Bay Module well enough to figure out where the signal is being routed... experiments have taught me that the headphones and output to monitor speakers can be selected separately so I guess I need to concentrate on that section of the manual.

    My main issue was getting the basics set up inputs/outputs routing.

    Software or driver wise I've had the odd hanging and one BSOD (I'm on a Quad Q9000 with Win7 64 Ultimate with a i-Link to the firewire port to the ITwin) but this isn't the main problem as that is between the seat and the keyboard :) hence I was looking for an idiots guide specifically for Sonar.

    Getting there though but any advice and tips welcome.




    I got BSOD when using Sonar 8.5 and WDM drivers, and then turning Echo on for an input. I don't know if this still goes for X1 and current drivers from TC, but I'll use ASIO drivers.

    About routing I don't remember so much.
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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 13, 11 12:08 AM (permalink)
    Dionin
    DPC checkers are great for letting you know there's a problem but I just wish I could find one which identified which bit of hardware was causing the problems

    Try http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon (if you haven't already).


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    Re:Sonar X1 & tc electronic impact twin set up guide - anyone seen one? November 19, 11 1:18 AM (permalink)
    Hi There tlw

    Yes I found this site and the monitor tools which helped me isolate some bad drivers.

    Also found a PC/Registry cleanup with ccleaner helped... although I'm not exactly sure how :)

    I am also finding that the WDM/KS drivers are giving far to much crackles and pops and have opted for the native TC IT ASIO. getting the odd audio drop out though with this but I can get by for now. 

    This beast wil take time to tame no doubt!

    Cheers
    Rob
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