Sonar X1 and GPO 4

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2011/10/10 22:07:21 (permalink)

Sonar X1 and GPO 4

I am using GPO 4 with Sonar X1. When I enter notes in staff view all is well for the first few notes then the volume falls by 50% or so. There is no change in velocity and the sliders in both Garritan and Sonar do not move. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/10 22:36:42 (permalink)
    I had not on my music PC. But on my Vista machine last night I noticed that when I was previewing midi clips with Session Drummer 3, the first part of the clip was loud then it dropped in volume like your talking about.

    Don't know if it's related, but thought I would post and see what happens.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 08:59:40 (permalink)
    I inserted a CC1 message at the beggining of the track. Apparently Garritan uses this controller for volume. So far it seems to be working.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 11:07:02 (permalink)
    I am sorry, I can't remember exactly where in the preferences it is located but there is a toggle to enable a track to search back for any controller data before it resumes play. You can uncheck that box and it will disregard the last controller command. I had trouble with GPO4 going silent because Sonar was searching back thru the midi track resetting the volume to zero.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 12:27:33 (permalink)

    I had trouble with GPO4 going silent because Sonar was searching back thru the midi track resetting the volume to zero.



    Yes, if there's no non-zero CC1 message for Searchback to find, Zero Controllers will silence GPO/Aria Player.


    EDIT: A CC11 might also be necessary IIRC.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 14:11:51 (permalink)
    I think it's the "Zero controllers on playback" option, or similar, under the Project section of the Preferences dialog.  It took me a while to get used to this after I started using GPO.  
     

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 14:39:25 (permalink)
    We've all been there!
     
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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 15:58:35 (permalink)

    We've all been there!

     
    I haven't. I have GPO4 and was thinking about using it this week. I have X1E, a midi keyboard controller, and an Octa-Capture. I have never quite understood midi and have really have only worked with audio recording. It is running into things like this when I try that discourages me.
    Can someone perhaps give a readers digest version of what to do to record using GPO4 and make it a "for dummies" version, I mean assume I don't know anything.
     
    I got this from the "internets" but I don't know how or why I would use it:
     
    Controller events
    In MIDI, adjustable parameters for each of the 16 possible MIDI channels may be set with the Control Change message, which has a Control Number parameter and a Control Value parameter. GM also specifies which operations should be performed by multiple Control Numbers:
    [font=""]1 Modulation wheel
    6 Data Entry MSB
    7 Volume
    10 Pan
    11 Expression
    38 Data Entry LSB
    64 [color=#0645ad font=""]Sustain[font=""] pedal
    91 Reverb level
    92 Tremolo level
    93 Chorus level
    94 Celeste level
    95 Phaser level
    98 Non-registered Parameter LSB
    99 Non-registered Parameter MSB
    100 Registered Parameter Number LSB
    101 Registered Parameter Number MSB
    121 All controllers off
    123 All notes off

     
    I see that CC 1 is the mod wheel and CC 11 is expression which I would need using GPO4 but I don't know how I would enable them and I wonder if CC 11 is related to aftertouch maybe??
     
    Thanks for any help before I try it and run into a wall. Are these used to assign functions to sliders and knobs?
     
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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 16:49:29 (permalink)
    GPO 4 is quite a deep program so to keep things simple the best advice I can offer is that when you record using a keyboard you want to move the mod wheel to ensure that you get a CC:1 lane in the P.R.V.
    If you draw notes in the P.R.V. then you need to create a CC:1 lane by going Edit > New value type... > Type: Control > Value: 1 and hit the OK button. 
     
    If you have a CC:1 lane you can control the volume (swells etc) and it ensures that you will hear something as the most common mistake with GPO 4 is having the mod wheel (CC:1) at zero. 
     
    Worry about getting some sounds going and then get into the other stuff. The manual is your friend.
     
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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/11 19:37:02 (permalink)
    Thanks grumbleweed, I don't know how to mark this post as useful but if I did I would. I will use the manual.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 10:13:13 (permalink)
    To recap:
     
    When you use GPO - *always* wiggle your mod wheel first. GPO uses the mod wheel for volume (instead of normal volume (cc7) - which is generated by hitting a key on your MIDI keyboard) - so if the mod wheel (which generates cc1) is "zero" you get no sound.
     
    I've had GPO for years and I still forget this sometimes ;-)
     
    If you're new to this - just wiggle the mod wheel before you record your first MIDI note (wiggle it while you're recording). Then you can read the manual to figure out how to edit and draw in your own cc1 values - or you could even record yourself moving the mod wheel - after you've got your MIDI notes.
     
    I hope this makes sense. If I'm just confusing matters - please ignore this post ;-)

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 13:32:05 (permalink)
    A trick I've used with Garritan JABB, which uses CC1 the same way in Aria Player, is to copy MIDI velocities to a CC1 lane in the controllers pane of the PRV so each note has its initial volume set according to velocity. If you record MIDI in real-time from a keyboard and are used to controlling dynamics with velocity, this can be very helpful.

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 14:14:57 (permalink)
    Nice one, brundlelfy...  I'll have to remember that, because I do in fact try to control dynamics using velocity.  It's just as ingrained thing.  
     

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 14:21:54 (permalink)
    copy MIDI velocities to a CC1 lane in the controllers pane of the PRV
    Very good idea! How do you do that though? Can you drag n drop? (how would you select the MIDI velocities?) Use the "select" filter? (to select cc7 messages the "paste" in the other lane?)

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 15:06:48 (permalink)
    Insert a Modulation lane (if you haven't already got one), select all the notes, right-click in the header area of the Mod lane, and choose "Copy Selected Events to this Lane".


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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 17:04:19 (permalink)
    Cool! I'll try that... ;-)

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    Re:Sonar X1 and GPO 4 2011/10/12 20:46:18 (permalink)
    Thanx brundlefly. This sounds interesting and I’m going to give it a try.
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