Sonar X1 and Vstudio 700

Sarmad send me a normal email address and I will send you the pdf document on the VS700C control surface. Attachments don't seem to work this end anyway over PM messages.

You may have read but I will let you know anyway. There will be an update to the V700C software after X1 Producer comes out that will factor in new things like Pro Channel etc into the console. V Studio owners will not be forgotten it seems.

Hi everyone...

I am from Brazil. I have the VS700 system, the VS100 and the VS20 (kkk). Here I am a partner (kind of endorser) of Roland.

I am running Sonar on my Windows 7 64 bits. I never have the opportunity to see the Fantom that comes bundled with VS700R, It never worked (in Win 7 64). Now I got the X1 (they just gave me, thank God).

Indeed the knobs sequence (channel strip contronl) didn´t match with the pro channel sequence. In fact, they control barely nothing, there´s no compability between them...

I am pretty surprised, as a Roland fan, that the quality control had decreased in such a manner!!!

I believe all this competition (Yamaha buyed Steinberg, Digidesign got Pro Tools, Propellerheads is now on the running with Record, Motu with DP and so on) is quite inevitable...

But Roland, with Cakewalk, appears to be lowering they´re professional commitment standards.

It´s really sad... I am always not that proud when it comes to be a defender of Cakewalk Sonar stability and reliability.

Why they don´t simply test things through exhaustion before announce with "all that pose" the new solution that is not solved yet? I know this is a economical stuff, but loose confiability from faithfull users and give space for very dangerous (but real) reviews don´t seem to be a very good deal... (sorry my poor english)

So, in the end of the day, (thank lord because I have two desktop computers to work with), I still have the 8.5.3 version running in one, still without ever had the opportunity to try the Fantom Plug In, and a Cubase 5 (original as well an fully functioning in Win 7 64 as Steinberg promised), while I test the Sonar X1 just for curiosity.

Imagine if I was depending on it...

God Bless You all.

Crg

I am running Sonar on my Windows 7 64 bits. I never have the opportunity to see the Fantom that comes bundled with VS700R, It never worked (in Win 7 64).

 
So why didn't you just run the Fantom in 32 bit? Why didn't you run Sonar in 32 bit when you found out the Fantom was 32 bit?

I did Craig (because I am using waves plug ins know). I got the Fantom VS plug in interface on screen along messages that I have to do something I didn´t have the patience to figure out exactly waht is, everytime I try to load something different than the 0001 patch " True Piano " or something...

Besides, just for speculation, why they bundle a solution like that in such a expensive system, highlighting in Cakewalk site the Microsoft Win 7 certification logo, arguing about the compability with 64 bits, with an end-to-end technology? In fact, as far as I know, Sonar is in 64 bits business from long ago... Since version 6 or 5, I don´t remember...

So, why bundle something that will work only in 32 bits with all these arguments about 64?

Anyhow, thanks for interact with me.

God Bless you Craig.

Crg

ProMusic27

Crg

I am running Sonar on my Windows 7 64 bits. I never have the opportunity to see the Fantom that comes bundled with VS700R, It never worked (in Win 7 64).

So why didn't you just run the Fantom in 32 bit? Why didn't you run Sonar in 32 bit when you found out the Fantom was 32 bit?

I did Craig (because I am using waves plug ins know). I got the Fantom VS plug in interface on screen along messages that I have to do something I didn´t have the patience to figure out exactly waht is, everytime I try to load something different than the 0001 patch " True Piano " or something...

Besides, just for speculation, why they bundle a solution like that in such a expensive system, highlighting in Cakewalk site the Microsoft Win 7 certification logo, arguing about the compability with 64 bits, with an end-to-end technology? In fact, as far as I know, Sonar is in 64 bits business from long ago... Since version 6 or 5, I don´t remember...

So, why bundle something that will work only in 32 bits with all these arguments about 64?

Anyhow, thanks for interact with me.

God Bless you Craig.

What was it you didn't want to figure out? It takes some noodling-thinking sometimes with the problems in DAW land. What it says is, Sonar is 64 bit compatible. The Fantom is is 32 bit compatible. I know, WTF?, well it's hardware synth with a software interface. Now you're asking, is the hardware 32 bit or is the Fantom software 32 bit? They both need to be 32 bit. So if Sonar is set at 64 bit the problem lies with bridging the Fantom to Sonar. Bit bridge is supposed to do it. But who wants that much hassle?
The point is ( to me anyway ) that the Fantom is a large instrument with it's own set of workings both hardware and software.
The increase in performance you're going to get from 64 bit is not going to be enough to justify using it for the use of the Fantom.
Maybe there is a 64 bit Fantom VS in the works, one with 256 voice polyphony and the coding and hardware chips to do 64 bit.
But seriously, with a good machine-PC and 32 bit Sonar and the VS 700 and the Fantom VS, you can do things that 64 bit operation is not going to add much to.

I Agree with you Craig, who wants that much hassle. And I also know that, most of the time, we have to look toward for some information about how to solve a bug... 
But I can´t understand why to put togheter a 32 bit sistem in a 64 bit solution. I never knew or saw an advertise like:


"Cakewalk is proud to present the new VS 700 system... Full of awards, a powerfull audio interface with a totally dedicated control-surface, bundled with Fantom VS module, full compability with 64 bits, but, sometimes, bit bridge will not work in bringing the Fantom VS (wich is 32 bit) to life in 64 bit OS. SO, unless you don´t want to use it, We highly recomend you to instal the 32 bit version of the software..." ????


I am telling you bro, it doesn´t work. You probabily have a VS 700 system, don´t you? It worked for you, the Fantom VS? Are you using Win7 64? ( I´ll not change to Win 7 32, I need my 8gb of ram)


And I like to use it, I like Fantom, I even have a G7 myself... I don´t care if I have to instal the Sonar 32 bit version, in fact, as I said, I already have. It don´t work with 64 and neither with 32 bit. And why such a integrated system need a PHD degree to deal with? Cakewalk claim to be the musicians first, not engineers first company. It supose to be, at least, plug and play!


(don´t take me bad, I am not mad with you, of course) 


The worst part of it is that, to me, the Fantom VS becomes the minor problem... What had freaked me out was the unbeliavable uncompability of  X1 with the VS 700 console. The software have change in such a way (and i really liked the changes) that even the sequence of the EQs knobs changed. Nothing is related to nothing, besides the MCU protocol. And there is other things that will not fit without break that "totally integrated Thing" (keeping in mind that the names on the buttons make part of this integration).


I´d talked with the Roland Brazil staff and told them I´ll be very desapointed if Roland come up with a VS 700 MKII or something and the ones who paid for this flagship product was left behind. 


And thats it my friend, again, thank you for interact with me!!! Merry Christmas for you and your family.


God Bless You All.


Ps. : You are very Brad Pitt lookalike in your member picture. (this supose to be a complement!!!)


And, just to share a nice new, I´ll be a father!!! Is that cool or what?!


Bye...

I have Win7 64 bit and Sonar producer installed 2 versions 32 bit and 64 bit. Sonar can be run in either version within the 64 bit Win7...

ProMusic27

Crg

 On 32 bit with 4Gb and a Q6600 I have yet to pass 30% CPU usage and my latency is around 4.3 ms. That is with the Fantom VS playing voices on drums, bass, strings, multiple stacked patches played with two different keyboard controllers. The only problem I have with the Fantom VS is that I've surpassed the 128 voice polyphony on a projectm and I need to figure out how to split a complicated keyboard part. But that's another issue. 

Yeah, I know... But, you are only using 2.8 gb of ram, that´s all a 32 bit can recognize, isn´t it? And it is working... It´s nice... Well, I do a lot of productions using ton´s of massive sample instruments... Everything under 24 bit (the libraries). I don´t use to freeze things out, wich I know is quite simple and pretty functional, but this is probabily an O.C.D. thing (lol). Then I went with lot´s of plugins and things like that. I like to think that, at least all the amount of ram in my computer is been reconized.


Anyway... I am out of my city now, because of the hollydays... When I get back I´ll go after the Fantom VS message again. And I´ll let you know what it is. (I believe you can help me easily)


In the mean while, just for curiosity, you haven´t tryed the new X1 with your VS 700? What you think? I know Cakewalk will come up with a new driver that will make everything very less frustrating... But they could have maintained the layout of the EQ between the console and the software...Don´t you think?


Many thanks again...


God Bless you.

That's a good reason to want the 8Gb and 64 bit. 32 bit recognizes 4Gb, windows uses a slice of that, 2.8Gb for Sonar sounds about right.
I haven't put X1 on the DAW yet. I still need to do the 8.5 updates that recently came out for the VS700, plus find out if they're included in X1 now that I have several updates to address plus the X1 patches. I'm not certain but I beleive you can set up X1 to respond to the console with the Sonitus EQ in the inspector. There is an update for the console in the works that address's the Pro Channel and the Console. 

sarmad_dehnadi


Hello guys

please don't change the subject of this thread . The subject simply is this "mismatch between the graphic design of the Pro channel and the knob sequence on the VS-700C"

Why CAKEWALK doesn't pay attention to this fact that those who have bought VS700 systems were looking for the highest degree of integration between software and hardware?.They simply have downgraded this integration  by the graphic design of the pro channel . We can't change the printed labels on the VS-700C console so they have to change the graphic design of the Pro channel !!!!!!

Hi Sarmad, and sorry, I didn´t mean to change the subject... It really changed for a while but, as you can see, it´s already back to the starting point...


We talked about the unhappy combination of 32 bit and 64 bit of VS 700 R with the Fantom VS, but I already got back to the fact I am one of those guys who have payed for the new Cakewalk (BY ROLAND) VS 700 integrated solution, (I did that because I believe in Roland quality commitment) and now I have this strange feeling that they don´t have a very good idea of where they are going...


I do agree (a lot), and it is the very truth (not a isolated user configuration uncompability) that the new prochannel totally mismatch the VS 700 C, and I am not talking about a need of a bugfix driver, wich I believe supose to be the very first concern of Roland, to not have this type of "compromising error", keeping the flagship system virginity and reliability (as well as Roland´s reputation), in fact, what We (VS 700 owners who tried the new Sonar X1 with) are all claiming, is the fact that this "still fresh" release (the VS 700) it´s already an "old solution". And allow me to say that here in Brazil we pay 3x more than people do in U.S. do for this system and we don´t get 3x more money then people in U.S. So, for us, it is a huuuuuuge concern.


So, it will be nice if someone who is envolved with the big heads in Cakewalk could tell us what we supose to do with the layout mismatch of our VS 700 C? Can we erase it and rewritte with a permanet marker pen or it is already time to sell it?
   

Craig,


 I am talking about the graphic  design and graphic design doesn't have any thing to do with VS-700C update. They have to change the GUI design of the Pro channel !!!!! They have to update  SONAR X1

sarmad_dehnadi


Craig,


I am talking about the graphic  design and graphic design doesn't have any thing to do with VS-700C update. They have to change the GUI design of the Pro channel !!!!! They have to update  SONAR X1

To what exactly?

That would be a very simple software patch for X1 to fix this issue.. Give them some time folks it will be addressed I'm sure!!

I think I agree with changing Pro Channel's gui. It seems to be an easy change (not that I qualify by any stretch to assume that), and not too hard for existing users if it's done while PC is fresh and young. On the other hand it's nothing earth-shattering, really.

Finally we're talking the same language. The graffic posted by frankandfree helped a lot to clear it out. And you're quite right, this is a pretty "Oooops" situation. Looks like they're developing without use the VS 700 system as an important reference, wich, still, make me concern about how long this system is going to be a "big deal" for them. (because it suposed to be for me)

I really hope they change the GUI layout to match VS 700 c layout, and, obviously, make all the possible adressments and corrections to make the control surface work properly.

Otherwise,I'll put my system for sale. I cannot loose all that money.