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Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
If you did not know NI has a few beta releases out.
NI Maschine 1.6
NI Battery 3.2
I installed 1.6 and to no avail sonar's audio engine stops , I just seem like I have no luck what so ever, I have no idea as to why , I do understand its a beta version, but as soon as I route an audio channel to sonar the engine cuts out. Im sure its not sonar and it has something to with maschine working with sonar,So I tried it with 8.5.3 and the same results , transport dies, I can use it in stand alone mode np on my pc, and I can use it with abelton on my mac as a vst, but not with sonar as a plugin. Now Im getting a Microsoft c +++++ error here and there while trying to get mashine to work with sonar. Im getting so discouraged using Sonar lately, I love it but I'm hitting wall after wall, and yes with my fist too.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 15:40:42
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djjhart@aol.com
If you did not know NI has a few beta releases out.
NI Maschine 1.6
NI Battery 3.2
I installed 1.6 and to no avail sonar's audio engine stops , I just seem like I have no luck what so ever, I have no idea as to why , I do understand its a beta version, but as soon as I route an audio channel to sonar the engine cuts out. Im sure its not sonar and it has something to with maschine working with sonar,So I tried it with 8.5.3 and the same results , transport dies, I can use it in stand alone mode np on my pc, and I can use it with abelton on my mac as a vst, but not with sonar as a plugin. Now Im getting a Microsoft c +++++ error here and there while trying to get mashine to work with sonar. Im getting so discouraged using Sonar lately, I love it but I'm hitting wall after wall, and yes with my fist too.
John, I'll be checking out the 1.6 "beta' update today, after I do backups ;) BUT, one thing I know about installing Maschine updates: you should disconnect the unti first. Install the update, then plug in and reboot your system. Try doing that and see if it fixes anything for you. I'll keep you posted as to my experience with it as well. Oh - and take a deep breath ;)
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 15:56:54
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Hey Billy
I did what you said above, I had maschine disconnected, I installed the update , plugged it in started in standalone first, played the song that was loaded , it worked fine, loaded up sonar and no audio, disconnect maschine and it works , reconnect maschine crash.. I did a restarted same thing .. keep me posted Thanks Billy.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 16:49:37
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If it's a beta release then expect bugs. That's the whole point of a beta.  Gather the bugs you find and submit them to NI, but don't be shocked when you encounter bugs and such when using beta software.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 16:58:14
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its even worse than I thought , apparently 1.6 erased all my work that i ever done with maschine, and now I cant even run sonar , I get microsoft c + + + error.
Not happy at all . 1 problem after another after another. I dont believe I lost all my work, I never new I had to save my maschine work seperately from sonar projects, All I though I had to save was my audio folder and the .cwp ..I'm so sick to my stomach , ONLY SONAR ..
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:06:52
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Stand by John. I finished my backup and installed 1.6. Am about to test it out.
Will be back soon.
(Seth - it's a public beta that's undergone intensive testing already but yeah, it's still a beta and users should be cautious).
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:13:18
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installed yesterday (without unplugging maschine) and it worked fine. I havent explored the new features much, but I set a new template using all 16 outs (at last!!) and started a new song which i worked on for a couple hours with only one drop out, which was after a dispatch error with jbridge.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:16:33
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I just dont believe I lost all my work. im going to toss this ****ing thing across the room and put my foot through this computer in 2 seconds.. why would it delete all my work done in maschine..
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:21:30
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I just dont believe I lost all my work. im going to toss this ****ing thing across the room and put my foot through this computer in 2 seconds.. why would it delete all my work done in maschine..
It may not have deleted anything - what it MAY have done is change some pointers to folders. Take a coffee break - I'm looking through my installation now and will report back, ,so just calm down for a bit John. I suspect there's a solution - and I'll be back. (It's updating the database, that takes a while)
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:34:07
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John,
A few questions:
1- did you see install the "controller driver"?
2- when you rebooted and launched in standalone mode - did you see it update the database (thousands of files checked)?
I just want to make sure you got that far with the installation.
Also - what's the actual file size of the zip download?
THey had server errors yesterday - so maybe you got a corrupt download.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:51:54
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Ok I called support , I was told I can revert back to 1.5.1 and shouldn't lose anything as long as it was save in the host program..
I downloaded last night , I wonder if it was corrupt.
Thanks for your help Billy ... I'll keep you posted ..
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 17:59:58
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Ok I called support , I was told I can revert back to 1.5.1 and shouldn't lose anything as long as it was save in the host program..
I downloaded last night , I wonder if it was corrupt.
Thanks for your help Billy ... I'll keep you posted ..
It's still going through the 'scanning vst' phase for me (it chose a wrong path so I had to start over, ugh) - and I have 2 gazillion plugins, so it's taking a long time. So I'll continue to post updates as I can, John. Remember - breathe ;) You may not have to go back to 1.5.1
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 18:02:53
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Btw, I get a kick out of the fact it scans ITSELF as a plugin lol.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 18:31:19
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Well - bad news -- NO sound in Sonar from the plugin :(
I'm going to try in other hosts, then try to debug in Sonar.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 18:41:50
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Ok I'm Good Thank GOD,, I was able to revert back to 1.5.1 and I didn't lose any of my work. Oh well I guess I have to wait till the official release is released. It seems my computer isn't liking updates anymore. :(
On a different note I would like to know, the new drag and drop features dose that mean you can drag audio from the Track view and drag and drop it right into maschine? Thats something I was hoping for. Also I sent a request in to see if they can add automation to the start and end loop points. Thats something I really really want...<--- highly doubt it but never know...
Once again Thanks Billy ... My Heart Rhythm's back to normal..
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 18:47:22
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Ok I'm Good Thank GOD,, I was able to revert back to 1.5.1 and I didn't lose any of my work. Oh well I guess I have to wait till the official release is released. It seems my computer isn't liking updates anymore. :(
On a different note I would like to know, the new drag and drop features dose that mean you can drag audio from the Track view and drag and drop it right into maschine? Thats something I was hoping for. Also I sent a request in to see if they can add automation to the start and end loop points. Thats something I really really want...<--- highly doubt it but never know...
Once again Thanks Billy ... My Heart Rhythm's back to normal..
First there's more BAD news: The 1.6 update works just fine in Studio One and Live. Sigh. That limits the problem to Sonar. But I suspect there's some answer to this, so a I said, I'm going to try to debug this. As for the other things, I haven't had a chance (time) to play with everything yet, so I don't know the answers. I want to solve the Sonar issue first, John.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 20:00:50
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As a follow up - the 1.6 update doesn't work for me in either 8.5.3 or X1 (XP pro 32bit).
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:08:01
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Well we haven't changed anything in SONAR in regards to Maschine. This suggest to me there's somehting wrong with Maschine.
Moving to the Software forum as this is about a third=party app.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:13:05
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update from my install.....
although I had no problem with creating a new project with 1.6 and running a normal session, I am now finding that ALL of my previous projects that were created with 1.5, now loading with 1.6, will not play any of the other vsti's in the session. Only maschine plays.
bastards. I guess I will revert back to 1.5 now also.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:13:08
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Well we haven't changed anything in SONAR in regards to Maschine. This suggest to me there's somehting wrong with Maschine.
Moving to the Software forum as this is about a third=party app.
I don't mind you moving it -- but considering it works out of the box with 2 other hosts, doesn't that at least concern you?
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:29:22
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Maschine PB 1.6 and X1a are playing nice here. I've been running it with plugins inside Maschine, and alongside Maschine in Sonar with no problems. But, I haven't opened any old projects with it yet, and I don't think I'm going to after reading that.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:33:26
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cryophonik
Maschine PB 1.6 and X1a are playing nice here. I've been running it with plugins inside Maschine, and alongside Maschine in Sonar with no problems. But, I haven't opened any old projects with it yet, and I don't think I'm going to after reading that.
Interesting. I can't get any sound at all from it in Sonar (old or fresh project). I've tried a bunch of things. I'm curious - when did you download your copy? I'm starting to suspect a bad download since 2 people here said they can use it and 2 can't. And are you using it as a multi-out ?
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:36:07
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update from my install.....
although I had no problem with creating a new project with 1.6 and running a normal session, I am now finding that ALL of my previous projects that were created with 1.5, now loading with 1.6, will not play any of the other vsti's in the session. Only maschine plays.
bastards. I guess I will revert back to 1.5 now also.
This is so weird - we're getting different results in the same host (Sonar). I can't get sound from Maschine, not you can ONLY get sound from Maschine. Wow. It'll be interesting to see how this develops, ie, how NI handles this (assuming it's not Sonar's fault).
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:41:36
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whats the best way to get rid of 1.6 and reinstall 1.5? edit: Never mind, I just replaces the .dll with the 1.5 from my laptop. All is well again, except for the fact that 1.5 wont load the session I started with 1.6.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 21:42:25
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ba_midi
I've tried a bunch of things. I'm curious - when did you download your copy? I'm starting to suspect a bad download since 2 people here said they can use it and 2 can't.
And are you using it as a multi-out ?
Hey Billy - I downloaded it around 6 pm PST Thursday. I've run it as both a single- and multi-output plugin, and as a standalone, with no problems other than that it didn't like 2C/Galbanum Aether (reverb) when it scanned it for some reason. I'm going to spend some more time with it this weekend and see if I can't break it, but I'm only going to test it with new projects.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 23:07:15
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ba_midi
I've tried a bunch of things. I'm curious - when did you download your copy? I'm starting to suspect a bad download since 2 people here said they can use it and 2 can't.
And are you using it as a multi-out ?
Hey Billy - I downloaded it around 6 pm PST Thursday. I've run it as both a single- and multi-output plugin, and as a standalone, with no problems other than that it didn't like 2C/Galbanum Aether (reverb) when it scanned it for some reason. I'm going to spend some more time with it this weekend and see if I can't break it, but I'm only going to test it with new projects.
I wonder what is different in your setup than the rest of us having problems in Sonar with it. Do you use any plugins on your busses or tracks (meaning FX)? I'd love to try to nail what the problem is. I like the challenge on this one lol
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/28 23:32:35
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I wonder what is different in your setup than the rest of us having problems in Sonar with it.
Do you use any plugins on your busses or tracks (meaning FX)?
I'd love to try to nail what the problem is. I like the challenge on this one lol
I have a dozen or so custom-made templates, each with different buss/plugin configurations. I don't recall offhand all of the templates I've tried the 1.6 beta in, but I know for sure that it has included the following templates (& plugins): - Blank (no busses/plugins) - Normal (my own, not the factory version - 9 busses with Wave Arts limiter, FabFilter EQ, Soundtoys EchoBoy, 2C Aether, etc) - Normal + Maschine (same as above, but with Maschine pre-configured with one output/pad, + Waves limiter on the drum buss) I should also point out that I'm not experiencing most of the problems that people seem to be having with X1. That's not to say that I don't have complaints about a few things (esp. the lack of separate TV/PRV snap settings), but as far as bugs/stability goes, it's been pretty much rock-solid for me (Windows 7; 32-bit; 4GB RAM; Q6600 quad-core; Gigabyte mobo; 3.5 TB total [6 HDs]).
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/29 00:14:02
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ba_midi
I wonder what is different in your setup than the rest of us having problems in Sonar with it.
Do you use any plugins on your busses or tracks (meaning FX)?
I'd love to try to nail what the problem is. I like the challenge on this one lol
I have a dozen or so custom-made templates, each with different buss/plugin configurations. I don't recall offhand all of the templates I've tried the 1.6 beta in, but I know for sure that it has included the following templates (& plugins):
- Blank (no busses/plugins)
- Normal (my own, not the factory version - 9 busses with Wave Arts limiter, FabFilter EQ, Soundtoys EchoBoy, 2C Aether, etc)
- Normal + Maschine (same as above, but with Maschine pre-configured with one output/pad, + Waves limiter on the drum buss)
I should also point out that I'm not experiencing most of the problems that people seem to be having with X1. That's not to say that I don't have complaints about a few things (esp. the lack of separate TV/PRV snap settings), but as far as bugs/stability goes, it's been pretty much rock-solid for me (Windows 7; 32-bit; 4GB RAM; Q6600 quad-core; Gigabyte mobo; 3.5 TB total [6 HDs]).
Interesting indeed. John's system is different than mine. Yours is diffeent than mine (system). What Audio device are ya using, if I may ask? I just spent a bunch of time tonight trying ALL kinds of things (various settings in Sonar, deleting Aud.ini, etc) and just cannot get it to work. And I forgot to mention I do see the 'dropout' John sees as well. It's so strange. Oh, and PS _ I love some of your tracks :D
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/29 00:58:51
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ba_midi
What Audio device are ya using, if I may ask?
Oh, and PS _ I love some of your tracks :D
I'm using a MOTU 828mkII. I love your tracks as well. Hmmmm....I see you're looking lyricists to collaborate with, while I've been trying to keep up with 3 very talented female singer/songwriters. Hmmmm....I see you have a similar musical style as ours. Hmmmmmm....I see we both use Sonar. Hmmmmm....I see we both have a Maschine and a bunch of other plugins in common. Hmmmm.......we should talk.
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Re:Sonar X1 and maschine 1.6
2011/01/29 01:13:26
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cryophonik
ba_midi
What Audio device are ya using, if I may ask?
Oh, and PS _ I love some of your tracks :D
I'm using a MOTU 828mkII.
I love your tracks as well. Hmmmm....I see you're looking lyricists to collaborate with, while I've been trying to keep up with 3 very talented female singer/songwriters. Hmmmm....I see you have a similar musical style as ours. Hmmmmmm....I see we both use Sonar. Hmmmmm....I see we both have a Maschine and a bunch of other plugins in common. Hmmmm.......we should talk.
I have the Motu Ultralite MKiii (Firewire version) - same drivers I think as you. Hmm, I agree, we should talk ;) Will PM you.
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