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2013/03/30 16:34:15 (permalink)

Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording

Hello,
 
This is my first time using a DAW. I have Sonar X2 Producer. I am trying to record from Session Drummer 3. I have watched and read a lot of tutorials, but I am still not getting this.
 
I am using the Realtek hardware that is built into the motherboard. I have the Roland Octa-Capture and I hooked it up and it didn’t help so for now I am using Realtek because I ordered ¼” Male to RCA female adaptors and a RCA switch so that I can leave the Octa-Capture hooked up all of the time. I have a vintage Hitachi receiver hooked up to my computer and it only has one tape input.
 
I have gone through the steps in this tutorial and now the program is sharing the Realtek Audio Hardware. Before I did this I could not play YouTube and Sonar X2 at the same time.
Realtek Audio setup for SONAR X1
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/hwsetup.aspx?dm=mme&man=Realtek
 
I have watched this video
Multi-Track Drums In Session Drummer 3 - Sonar X1 Producer Edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC73PrrMxXc
Everything in this video is already set up when I insert the soft synth by right clicking in the blank area where the tracks go and insert a preset drum kit from Session Drummer 3 as opposed to using the Insert>Soft Synth method which does not set up the kit.
 
So I insert the Zeppelin Wet 1 kit and I get 12 drum tracks and a MIDI Source track. The only track that can be armed is the MIDI Source track. I’m assuming that is because all of the other tracks are in that folder. I get sound when I hit the drums in the kit with the mouse.
 
I click record, the line moves across, and I can hear the metronome. I play a few beats on the kick drum, stop the recording, play back, and there is nothing. When I look at the Piano Roll there is nothing there.
 
In the Piano Roll I can add beats, but they do not play back. If I select the MIDI Source track and add beats they play back. Some will even play back on the drum tracks that I have in the kit.
 
I have gone through the inputs and outputs on the tracks. I checked the box for MIDI Output and I selected a track as the input to the MIDI Source track. That didn’t work so I put it back on Omni.
 
I’m sure this is probably an easy fix for someone that knows this program.
 
Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ernie
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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/03/30 17:53:03 (permalink)
try setting it up just like this.
doesn't matter if your using a drum machine or not, this will give you the basic tools on how session drummer 3 should be inserted and used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZS61Wg-XY

heres a lesson on basic midi, this is how to record basic midi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83UVo1OiKA

this is a video on editing drum parts in the piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

these are all my vids, there indepth but move fast, so you wont be sitting there half your life learning about drums.
there are many more out there as well

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/03/31 00:27:55 (permalink)
Charlie,
 
I didn't know that the messages were being sent. Every time I tried to send the message the website crashed. This website constantly locks up. It’s doing it again while I’m trying to check my sent box. Sorry about that.
 
I finally got to my sent box and there are no sent messages.
 
I just sold my Dr, Rhythm DR-880 so I can use this software instead. I do have a keyboard with MIDI. That’s strange that I cannot click on the drums with the mouse.
 
Thanks,
Ernie
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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/03/31 08:30:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
you can click the drums all you want with the mouse, they just wont be recorded  :)

you should be using your octa capture, not realtek, remember that.

plug in that keyboard with a midi cable if you want to bang out rhythm's.

my video "drum editing in the piano roll" is faster than using your finders on a keyboard, because after you bang out finger drums, they never quite line up, so you need to quantize them.(press Q when midi track is hi-lighted).

your not the first one to think using your mouse will be recorded.

see when you use your mouse to click on a drum, its in sample mode, meaning its only letting you hear a sample of what each drum sounds like.
triggering or piano roll, those are direct commands to record signaled midi data streams.

you can also use sonars midi content in the browser to drag in to the timeline and edit it to your liking.

don't worry about the message thing, it was only after 6 messages I got tired  :)

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/03/31 08:34:34 (permalink)
ernieblues : "I click record, the line moves across, and I can hear the metronome. I play a few beats on the kick drum, stop the recording, play back, and there is nothing. When I look at the Piano Roll there is nothing there. "

By "play" you mean with your midi controller/keyboard ?

Nothing will be recorded if you play by clicking on the kick drum in SD3




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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/03/31 19:07:24 (permalink)
Ok, I get the big picture now. The MIDI Tracks can only be played by triggering the Software Synthesizer with an external hardware device like a keyboard or a drum machine or by entering notes in the Piano Roll View.    
 
What was throwing me off was all of the extra instruments and numbers in the Piano Roll View for the SD3 MIDI Source Track. Now I see that all tracks Audio and MIDI have 128 locations. So the instruments in the SD3 MIDI Source Track are the kit that I loaded. I expected to see just the 12 that corresponded to the 12 tracks that were created when I inserted the kit. They use the same animated drum kit for all of the kits, but every kit is different. I’m sure Terry Bozzio or Neal Peart would need more than 12 tracks for their kit. 
 
128 is the number of memory locations that corresponds to 6 bits when counting in binary, 0 to 127. So if I insert a blank track there is a keyboard with 128 keys, 10 octaves plus 8 more keys. (10 x 12)  + 8 = 128.  
 
So when I insert a Led Zeppelin kit there are cymbals, tambourine, cowbell, etc. that are not on the animated kit. In addition there are the 8 preset drum beats A through H that correspond to the buttons below that animated drum kit. So I don’t even have to hook up the keyboard for this. I can get started right away. 
 
Thank you so much for all of your help Charlie. I have been trying to figure out this problem for over 3 months.
post edited by ernieblues - 2013/03/31 19:42:06
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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/03/31 20:22:42 (permalink)
yup all drums are all on one midi track.
no probs,

best of luck,

come back to this thread if you need more questions answered :)

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 02:45:05 (permalink)
Excellent, Ernie and good job, Charlie.  Glad to hear it came together for you.

Kind regards,


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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 04:15:36 (permalink)
use the step sequencer, it's the quickest and easiest way to programme beats...

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 08:25:04 (permalink)
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use the step sequencer, it's the quickest and easiest way to programme beats...

 
step sequencer leaves you prone to working in small boxes, and if you work in bigger boxes you need to skip and jump around. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ
 
the SS is good for somethings, and probably drums the most, but I don't think I can say quickest and easiest.

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 10:17:37 (permalink)
chuckebaby


mgh


use the step sequencer, it's the quickest and easiest way to programme beats...

 
step sequencer leaves you prone to working in small boxes, and if you work in bigger boxes you need to skip and jump around. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ
 
the SS is good for somethings, and probably drums the most, but I don't think I can say quickest and easiest.
^i have no idea what you mean by small boxes, i guess everyone finds a different way of working, but for me, what you do in your video (nice work, btw) is even easier in SS, plus i like the ease with which you can do triplet/odd-time stuff, drum rolls etc. 
I guess it's nice there's more than one way to do things, huh?



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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 12:06:41 (permalink)
mgh


chuckebaby


mgh


use the step sequencer, it's the quickest and easiest way to programme beats...


step sequencer leaves you prone to working in small boxes, and if you work in bigger boxes you need to skip and jump around. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

the SS is good for somethings, and probably drums the most, but I don't think I can say quickest and easiest.
^i have no idea what you mean by small boxes, i guess everyone finds a different way of working, but for me, what you do in your video (nice work, btw) is even easier in SS, plus i like the ease with which you can do triplet/odd-time stuff, drum rolls etc. 
I guess it's nice there's more than one way to do things, huh?

maybe im being ignorant, so im sorry. :)
 
id love to see a good video of the step sequencer in action, I mean ive seen the ones on cake tv, I just wasn't impressed.
Ive used it, by small boxes I mean, its hard to work in large sections, even if it does a max of 64 beats/measure do you find it difficult jumping around when working in large sections ?
I felt too limited, like I was having a hard time making large parts, sure one canmake small parts and paste them together.
the SS is no doubt a cool tool for writing many things and I guess its all about personal preference.
 
and you are totally right, glad we have more than on way to do things :)

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 12:22:03 (permalink)
Can you really create subtle grooves and swings with a step sequencer? IIRC the rhythms are as stiff and bony as granmothers legs.

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 12:36:05 (permalink)

Here’s just a few of the tools available in the Step Sequencer :
Add Flam to any step by simply double clicking it (then use the flam time knob to adjust timing).
Easily load/save patterns from the Options button or drag and drop patterns from the Media Browser.
Auto-populate feature provides shortcuts to fill a lanes every 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 steps.
Controller Pane for per row articulations and controls, including Volume, Pan, Pitch Bend, Mod Wheel, Portamento
Per step parameter controls for Velocity, Time Offset, Probability, Lane-based MIDI articulations, Filter Cut and Filter Res.
Parameter values are displayed as bars underneath steps in the controller pane, making editing per step parameters such as Velocity, Step Offset, Probability, and other MIDI articulations quick and easy.
Exclusive Per Step Probability provides control over the probability of how often a step will be triggered. Use it to create automatic variations (make some steps only play occasionally) to keep repetitive patterns sounding fresh.
All this is combined with the functionality from Step Sequencer 1.0 including: Step Recording, the Velocity Multiplier, Fit to Quarters capabilities, and more.

from the CW blog. as i use it mainly for extreme metal, i guess i don't need the kinda swing you get in jazz/fusion, but it seems you could do quite a bit of that.

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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 14:51:09 (permalink)
There are soooo many ways to work and that's part of the (fun) learning curve with this type of software. I think some folks get pretty entrenched in ( Their )  one way and do not wish to take the time to try other methods. 
So we each get real good with our way of doing it. 
Like me, I still build drums from scratch playing through the song and banging away on either the keyboard or (now I have) a set of digital drums to a click track. 
I know some like to build in Band in a Box :? :? 
And many use the step sequencer which is very cool piece of software. 
One guy on the old forum is pasting tiny little snippets of audio into a track ( talk about making life hard ) but hey, that's his thing. 


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Re:Sonar X2 - Session Drummer 3 Not Recording 2013/04/01 16:02:31 (permalink)
Yeah, I like using the SS, but I do convert to traditional MIDI clips. I recall Seth had some pretty descent tutorials on using the SS when it first appeared in SONAR.
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