TomHelvey
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Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
I just installed X3 and it found my Waldorf Lector plugin as a VST 3. Unfortunately the plugin can no longer find its presets. Loading presets manually using the load program option doesn't work and if attempted twice, crashes Sonar. Is there a way to tell Sonar to only use the vst 2 version?
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2013/09/28 21:44:42
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the installer has a custom mode ? either that or just move it to a temp vst folder that isn't scanned.
I have largo , but not used it for a while
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2013/09/28 21:50:35
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Just found the setting. :)
In Preferences -> VST there are checkboxes for VST 3 Migration.
I turned both the hide and replace options off, loaded the VST 2 version of the plugin instead of the VST 3 version and it seems to be working again.
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2013/09/28 22:23:18
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TomHelvey
I just installed X3 and it found my Waldorf Lector plugin as a VST 3. Unfortunately the plugin can no longer find its presets. Loading presets manually using the load program option doesn't work and if attempted twice, crashes Sonar. Is there a way to tell Sonar to only use the vst 2 version?
in lector click the "v" icon next to "file" in the preset display at the top of lector. navigate to c:\program data\waldorf\lector\factories and all of the presets should show up and load correctly.
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TomHelvey
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2013/09/29 03:30:18
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in lector click the "v" icon next to "file" in the preset display at the top of lector. navigate to c:\program data\waldorf\lector\factories and all of the presets should show up and load correctly.
I tried that. The Lector VST 3 plugin appears to be broken (at least in Sonar), the VST 2 version still works fine. I'm not overly concerned as long as I have a workaround.
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2013/09/29 21:29:04
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hm. vst3 version working fine here... except i can't set it as a synth to send midi to it. it's working oddly in cubase 7 as well. i'll play with it a bit more...
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2013/09/29 22:28:39
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2014/03/15 08:46:02
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Just bought the Lector from Waldorf and I got the same problem!
No presets list using the VST3 version with Sonar X3D.I can load presets only using the "load presets" option from Sonar GUI if i try to "load program" clicking on "file" (near the little "v") and selecting one of the .fxp i got a Sonar crash (SONARPDR.EXE has stopped working).
There's a way to fix that?
Thanx.
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2014/03/16 23:31:26
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I gave up on Lector, I corresponded (very slowly) with their technical support person over a couple weeks and they didn't seem very interested in resolving the issues. They claimed Sonar was at fault and that their code was perfect. The CreateInstance method in their dll's was crashing Sonar and the VST scanner blows up with their plugins in a VST directory. I've tried both Lector and VocalizerPro, neither of them were satisfactory for basic vocoder sounds like Daft Punk or Zedd. Lector is highly unstable and even when it did work, it was a one sound wonder, the synth is pretty limited. The VocalizerPro was even worse as a vocoder, the built in synth uses spectral synthesis which is even more baffling than FM to understand and there are very few, if any resources available to learn how to use it. At least VocalizerPro doesn't crash Sonar, I might find another use for it one of these days. The very best vocoder plugin out there is the TAL_Vocoder: http://kunz.corrupt.ch/products/tal-vocoder and it's free. You can use anything for a carrier: Z3TA, Sylenth, bounced audio, etc so you're not limited by a built in synth. It's really simple to use, just RTFM and you'll be getting lucky in a few minutes. It might be nice to be able to define the number and widths of the vocoder bands, but that's not really a serious limitation, the TAL has enough to get the job done nicely. If a vendor made something like an enhanced TAL with a few more vocoder features, I'd probably buy it. Cheers KWILD
Just bought the Lector from Waldorf and I got the same problem!
No presets list using the VST3 version with Sonar X3D.I can load presets only using the "load presets" option from Sonar GUI if i try to "load program" clicking on "file" (near the little "v") and selecting one of the .fxp i got a Sonar crash (SONARPDR.EXE has stopped working).
There's a way to fix that?
Thanx.
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2014/03/16 23:42:41
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May want to checkout MVocoder. As with all MeldaProduction plug-ins, there is a fully functional 15 trial. There is a three part series about the plug-in on Youtube made by the vendor.
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Re: Sonar X3 - Lector VST 3 Problem?
2014/03/17 08:36:44
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TomHelvey
I gave up on Lector, I corresponded (very slowly) with their technical support person over a couple weeks and they didn't seem very interested in resolving the issues. They claimed Sonar was at fault and that their code was perfect. The CreateInstance method in their dll's was crashing Sonar and the VST scanner blows up with their plugins in a VST directory.
I've tried both Lector and VocalizerPro, neither of them were satisfactory for basic vocoder sounds like Daft Punk or Zedd. Lector is highly unstable and even when it did work, it was a one sound wonder, the synth is pretty limited. The VocalizerPro was even worse as a vocoder, the built in synth uses spectral synthesis which is even more baffling than FM to understand and there are very few, if any resources available to learn how to use it. At least VocalizerPro doesn't crash Sonar, I might find another use for it one of these days.
The very best vocoder plugin out there is the TAL_Vocoder: http://kunz.corrupt.ch/products/tal-vocoder and it's free. You can use anything for a carrier: Z3TA, Sylenth, bounced audio, etc so you're not limited by a built in synth. It's really simple to use, just RTFM and you'll be getting lucky in a few minutes. It might be nice to be able to define the number and widths of the vocoder bands, but that's not really a serious limitation, the TAL has enough to get the job done nicely.
If a vendor made something like an enhanced TAL with a few more vocoder features, I'd probably buy it.
Cheers
Tom the typical "Daft Punk" effect is not a vocoder but a talkbox or better they use both talkbox (Around the world / Harder,better,Faster,stronger just for example) and vocoders (the vocoder in R.A.M.'s "the game of love" it's a very rare (and very expensive!) Sennheiser VSM-201 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Jq7BHtQMA the same of Kraftwerk and Herbie Hancock : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_55JoURq1Q No plugin can achieve that sound...
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