pmarangoni
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Sonar X3 Studio crashing
Recording live drums to 8 tracks using Comping mode. No effects at all. Roland Studio Capture. 48k, 24 bit. Project files on an external USB hard drive. After about 20 takes (having kept about ten take lanes), I keep getting the error "Audio Engine stopped unexpectedly." At that point, I can't even play the song for more than 6 seconds and it crashes. Restarting Sonar has no effect. Loading a different song which has no drums recorded yet works perfect. But I'm sure it too will begin crashing after a bunch of takes. Anyone know what is happening? Should I abandon Comping mode when recording and use Overwrite instead?
post edited by pmarangoni - 2015/08/13 21:41:21
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mettelus
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:29:39
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Do you have another option available besides the external USB hard drive (anything internal)? You may have a substantial choke point with that setup.
post edited by mettelus - 2015/08/13 22:37:43
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pmarangoni
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:32:09
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No, I don't have any other option and I don't want to buy any hardware. The laptop is a very powerful computer, and I don't think I'm doing anything extraordinary recording-wise. Does having all those take lanes recorded really tax the system? It was working fine until I had a bunch recorded.
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:42:01
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I'm amazed it was working before to be honest. The more tracks you are playing the more bandwidth you are using up between your PC and your USB hard drive. You need to run your projects on something like a eSATA, SD hard drive, or even FireWire 800. Hard drives need to be fast with DAWs. Try copying the project files to your internal hard drive for the moment. Better though to get a disk upgrade. You may also want to take a look at the windows event viewer for errors.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/13 22:50:25
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pmarangoni
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:43:58
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Doktor Avalanche The more tracks you are playing the more bandwidth you are using up between your PC and your USB hard drive.
I understand that, but what I don't understand is how the large number of take lanes affects things.
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:50:34
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More files to access at the same time,and see above. Simply put don't run your projects off USB hard drives. USB is generally best for storage and backups.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/13 22:58:47
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:55:08
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Your next move is to try it on a faster disk (I.e. internal). If you are using a C drive (not ideal best use another faster drive if you have it) you might want to defrag it first for best results.
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pmarangoni
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 22:55:20
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My laptop only has one hard drive, and no room for another. I just realized something though. My external drive is USB 3, but it wasn't plugged into a USB 3 port (I thought all the ports on this laptop were 3.0, but apparently not). I just plugged it into the USB 3 port and the song is playing fine now. Do you think it will work when recording? I realize that it would be best to have a laptop specially configured with 2 drives, but that isn't an option at this time.
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 23:05:44
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pmarangoni
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 23:12:19
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Here's the drive I'm using: Toshiba 2TB Canvio® Connect IIProduct Specifications- Interface: USB 3.0
- Transfer Rate: Up to 5 Gb/s
- Speed: 5,400 RPM
- Average Seek Time: 12ms
- Cache Buffer: 8MB
post edited by pmarangoni - 2015/08/13 23:21:32
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 23:16:44
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Faster rpm would be better. But it will probably work fine. Apols for misleading you earlier.
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pmarangoni
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/13 23:54:12
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No apologies necessary! I appreciate you trying to help me out. I think a faster external drive is a good idea, but I'll try using this one again and see if it crashes again.
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/14 07:34:06
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With a 5400 RPM drive, another thing you may want to try is adjusting Disk I/O buffers in SONAR preferences. If the buffer is too small or too large, it may not be feeding the audio engine properly. If you open SONAR Preferences, check "Advanced" at the bottom, and look at the Audio->Sync and Caching page. In the "File System" section there is a Playback and Record I/O buffer size (KB). IIRC, they default to 256, and you might want to try two things: 1) bump these up to 512KB each, and 2) enable Read Caching and enable Write Caching (I think these are off by default). The caching will also allow for the system to be used as a cache if the handshaking to the drive cannot keep speed. Another thing that will improve seek time on a magnetic drive is to defragment them regularly. They tend to write in any available space, but then reading makes the heads move more than they need to (a single file may be in numerous chunks, each with a "12ms seek time" to recover). An "optimized" defragment will also consolidate data files together, but this is not required as frequently - these also take longer to perform, so best to start when not using the machine and walk away (don't sit and watch it).
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Re: Sonar X3 Studio crashing
2015/08/14 10:27:07
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Excellent advice, thanks! If the problem raises its head again, I will definitely make those adjustments. Thank you very much.
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