Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3

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2013/10/12 14:46:52 (permalink)

Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3

Normal VST3's, like the new Organ Yamaha has been giving away, are working fine in Sonar.
The only one with a problem is the very important Motif XF VST3.
 
I know there has already been discussion about similar VST3 issues, but as I haven't seen the Motif mentioned, and
it seems to be connecting a little more than the others, so I wanted to describe what it is doing.
 
When I add it as an instrument track, it DOES connect to the Motif and correctly updates itself from the motif. 
(I only had to set the driver as firewire, which is normal for a first run)
Once done, I can select patches on the Motif and all the editing controls are working.
 
Although Midi in is blank, it is working - I can play the Motif, the keys on the keyboard at the bottom on the VST light up and I can even record the midi notes into the track.
 
What is NOT working - is that there is NO midi OUT. There is no sound coming back from the Motif.
Midi out, as it does with the other Yamaha VST editors says not configured, and there are no choices available to set it to.
 
So the remote port is being used automatically and I have full control of changes and edits on the Motif, but can not play it due to no Midi out.
 
Used without the VST - It works fine as both a midi instrument, an audio I/O (I'm using the multi track firewire driver) and also as a basic remote control surface. With just Sonar selected as remote type in the Motif and Mackie (not XT) as the controller type in Sonar, I have transport fully functional and my Motif sliders controlling track volumes. I haven't tried to get fancier than that yet. I was really only concerned about local transport controls for recording, I mix on the PC. I never could get my old Yamaha midi controller to work with Sonar 8.5.
 
Just hoping more info on what these Yamaha tools are doing would be on some help to the Sonar guys trying to resolve this. It looks like we are one interface away from having these up and running. And with only Yamaha and Korg still in the workstation market, I would think that having all of Yamaha's keyboards working fully with Sonar would be a big plus for Sonar. Otherwise the large Yamaha community gets stuck with Cubase and its problems.
 
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    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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    Re: Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3 2013/10/12 15:07:49 (permalink)
    Based on my understanding there is a custom interface that Yamaha instruments use with Cubase so these won't work by default in X3 with the same functionality.

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    grnbriar
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    Re: Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3 2013/10/12 15:40:32 (permalink)
    Will it be possible for you to get access to this interface definition and be able to support it?
    Or is Yamaha's intent to keep these locked only to Cubase?
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    Re: Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3 2013/10/15 15:44:43 (permalink)
    I have raised a thread on Motifator (sub Forum - Cakewalk Sonar) for this issue, and the Yamaha representative "BadMister" is working on this on our behalf with their engineering folks..
     
    Today I can confirm that this is not an exclusively Sonar x3 related issue as I checked against the demo of a different VST3 supporting DAW and see pretty much the same thing... either data is not getting from Sonar to the S70XS VST (in my case) or seemingly from the VST to the motif (in your case).
     

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    Re: Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3 2013/10/15 16:21:29 (permalink)

    HPE-580T with i7-950, 8G, 1.5T, ATI6850, Win7/64, Motu 828 III Hybrid, Motu Midi Express, Sonar Platinum, Komplete 9, Ableton Live 9 & Push 2, Melodyne Editor and other stuff, KRK VXT8 Monitors
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    Re: Sonar X3 and Motif XF VST3 2013/10/15 16:27:39 (permalink)
    Errr which organ have they been giving away? Is it any good? Any idea where to find it?
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