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2018/01/03 18:48:06 (permalink)

Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96%

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I'm having the above issue just as I finished my track! Typical! It starts to load (in either prog vers) and gets to 96% every time and just crashes out. (Reports are below) The latest things I did to the track was use v-vocal on a few recordings (but bounced the clips as far as I remember) and I used Limiter 6 plug-in to try a bit of mastering out. Sonar X3 rendered the track nicely but I wanted to tweak a few things today and now have this on-going issue. I tried safe mode on both progs, excluded all plugs but...still the same. Tried excluding most plugs but still the same. I checked event viewer and it shows the info below and along with the Sonar.exe crash warning I get a DeltaII (s/card) warning also although they are a few minutes apart. I can load my other tracks fine! and I'm almost positive I have used v-vocal and limiter 6 fine before with no probs. One other thing I did was I moved my track location from a folder on desktop to inside another folder last week. When I went to open the song after doing this Sonar obviously said it couldn't find it so I manually opened it via Sonar open file at start menu and directed it to the new location which opened fine and loaded fine a few times since then (I have tried reversing this process but no joy) I also installed sound-forge 9 and fruity loops 10 recently. Last night I rendered a wav and slipped it in sforge to boost vol and convert to mp3. I plugged my Sony Experian phone in and copied the mp3 over. Turned off PC and tried to open the song today and felt my guts sink!!! grrr!!! p.s. I use a mix of vsts/plugs and jbridge. All seemed to work fine. All other songs are totally fine to open and use.

Any help, ideas, salvation! would be greatly appreciated :)

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Faulting application name: SONARPDR.exe, version: 20.0.4.278, time stamp: 0x52abb061
Faulting module name: SONARPDR.exe, version: 20.0.4.278, time stamp: 0x52abb061
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x00000000001a6fef
Faulting process id: 0x1090
Faulting application start time: 0x01d384bfea1349aa
Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer\SONARPDR.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer\SONARPDR.exe
Report Id: 3c6e5d9a-f0b3-11e7-b4c2-d050990409d2

DeltaII
The description for Event ID 54 from source DELTAII cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.












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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 19:06:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TheyMadeMonsters 2018/01/03 19:29:25
Maybe check your disk for file system and or media errors.
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 19:06:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TheyMadeMonsters 2018/01/03 19:29:28
you might have a corrupted wav file (from the vvocal track?).  Copy the whole project to a different folder, delete the last couple of wav files in the audio folder and see if it loads.
 
I have no idea if that will be it, but it's a thought. 

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 19:29:51 (permalink)
Thanks guys! Trying both now...
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 19:50:21 (permalink)
Hey Jimbo, I tried what you suggested and one by one they didn't make a difference :/ I even deleted all the recordings from yesterday but no joy. Exact same crash. Wondering if the song file is corrupt. I will do a disk and file check now as suggested by Bitman. Absolutely gutted if this doesn't recover. I have an older version of the song but I did a lot of work yesterday to complete it...sigh! Curious as to whether V-Vocal has caused this.
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 20:27:46 (permalink)
Still no joy! No errors on file system and disk. I did recovery to a few days ago, removed SF9 and fruity Loops. Removed C++. I tried V-Vocal on another track, bounced and saved, all fine! Nightmare! I should have made a backup :/
Any other ideas....anyone?
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 20:43:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TheyMadeMonsters 2018/01/03 20:51:37
Try saving as a bundle file, then unpacking that to a new folder. That should strip off transient data and the V-Vocal FX regions if there are any hidden in the file.

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 20:49:42 (permalink)
Hi Mettelus,
Could you please advise on how I can do that? I cannot load the track up unfortunately :/
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 20:55:31 (permalink)
Ouch, my bad, I missed that detail. I am not sure if you can save one if the project won't load.
 
If it is V-Vocal in the project file, and option would be to copy the project to a new directory, but NOT copy over the last wav files you edited. SONAR will then tell you you have missing audio, but do not find them... If SONAR doesn't load a wav to process against, the V-Vocal data might strip off, then you can save the project with a new name and import to original wav file (if that works).
 
Edit: Moved to the post below.

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 20:59:54 (permalink)
No worries! I can't believe this is happening lol!
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 21:01:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TheyMadeMonsters 2018/01/03 21:04:46
I logged into the computer to type an edit to the above post, but you already read the original.
 
If it is V-Vocal in the project file, an option would be to copy the project to a new directory, but NOT copy over the last wav files you edited (leave those in the original location). SONAR will then tell you that you have missing audio, but do not find them... If SONAR doesn't load a wav to process against, the V-Vocal data might strip off, then you can save the project with a new name and import to original wav file (if that works).

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 21:04:39 (permalink)
Cool! Will give it a shot, thanks :)
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/03 21:09:26 (permalink)
Nah! didn't work :/ damn it! I have a feeling it is a corrupt song file..
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 00:42:59 (permalink)
There's a possibility it could be plugin issue. I've heard of reports of Sonar losing plugin settings - maybe it's corrupting them in this case and crashing it.
 
It's a long shot (and probably a huge PITA), but what you could try is rename your plugin directories and do a re-scan to effectively remove your plugins, then load your project.
 
If your project loads, then you know it's one of the plugins that is causing the issue.
 
The time consuming part will be copying each plugin DLL back one by one to isolate the one that is causing the issue (note however, that there's a chance that it maybe affecting more then one plugin if it is a corruption issue, so make sure you've nailed down all the problem ones).
 
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 00:45:02 (permalink)
Actually on second thoughts, just using Sonar's plugin manager to disable plugins might be easier than renaming directories.
 
It'll be much easier to add them back in as well.
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 01:06:01 (permalink)
Have you tried turning off 64-bit double precision?

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 02:29:30 (permalink)
Hi
Not sure if this would work, but maybe worth a try:-
 
Copy the project folder and paste it back with a new name e.g. "safe-backup" (this will prevent any accidental harm happening to your original)
Create a new project (with a new name) eg "myamazingsongrecovery.cpl"
Import the audio tracks one at a time (from the copy you just made eg "safe-backup") and test by playing to the end before importing the next audio track, hopefuly everything will work, if not, you may be able to identify a bad audio file if there is one.
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 07:19:14 (permalink)
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Actually on second thoughts, just using Sonar's plugin manager to disable plugins might be easier than renaming directories.
 
It'll be much easier to add them back in as well.



Yip, tried everything with the plug-ins. Safe mode, disable on start, removed directories and used only one basic. Still happening :/
Thanks though...
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 07:21:05 (permalink)
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Have you tried turning off 64-bit double precision?



Thanks...Just tried it but still no joy :/
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 07:28:25 (permalink)
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Hi
Not sure if this would work, but maybe worth a try:-
 
Copy the project folder and paste it back with a new name e.g. "safe-backup" (this will prevent any accidental harm happening to your original)
Create a new project (with a new name) eg "myamazingsongrecovery.cpl"
Import the audio tracks one at a time (from the copy you just made eg "safe-backup") and test by playing to the end before importing the next audio track, hopefuly everything will work, if not, you may be able to identify a bad audio file if there is one.



Thanks. I started doing this last night. It seems to work so far but I have 30 tracks and hundreds of audio files (loadsa plugs) so it's one damn arduous task that is the final option I will try once I've exhausted all other possibilities. When I worked on the song the other day I simply removed some old vocals on one track and re-did them. I also used v-vocal to clean them up and bounced them. I added a new track for an extra small vocal part,  tweaked the mix, bounced one or two other wavs and then I used Limiter 6 to master. Up until that point and a few days prior, I could go into the project no problems. I'm left with a juicy rendered wav and mp3s which is something but yea, I'd love to just be able to get back to the project and work a little more on it and also make an instrumental version. Grrrr! I should have backed up!
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 14:09:46 (permalink)
I tried this on another system but exactly the same problem. Any other ideas out there?


post edited by TheyMadeMonsters - 2018/01/04 14:57:12
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 15:10:06 (permalink)
I know you said you tried safe mode but Have you made sure to open in Safe mode and not use any plug ins ?
What happens when you try to open a new project with no tracks and no plug ins ?
 
Safe mode will typically open anything. Windows update install anything lately ?
 
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Have you tried turning off 64-bit double precision?

Thanks...Just tried it but still no joy :/

And how did you do this without being able to open the project ?
 
Also which limier 6 ? TDR Limiter 6 ? or Vladg's ?

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 15:11:34 (permalink)
it's almost certainly vvocal, which cannot be disabled via safe mode unfortunately

just a sec

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 15:28:25 (permalink)
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I know you said you tried safe mode but Have you made sure to open in Safe mode and not use any plug ins ?
What happens when you try to open a new project with no tracks and no plug ins ?
 
Safe mode will typically open anything. Windows update install anything lately ?
 
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sharke
Have you tried turning off 64-bit double precision?

Thanks...Just tried it but still no joy :/

And how did you do this without being able to open the project ?
 
Also which limier 6 ? TDR Limiter 6 ? or Vladg's ?



Hi, I just opened X3 without any project and edited the prefs by taking the tick out of 64-bit double precision.

Yup, I tried safe mode a number of times on both Sonar 6 & X3. I tried one by one with plugs and no to all plugs, still hangs on 96%. I copied the entire project to a new dir, deleted my latest wavs from the other day (which seems to have caused the issue) but still happens. I even deleted older wavs going back quite some time but still no joy!

Limiter is Vladg's. The only 'new thing' I did was v-vocal to tidy up a couple of recordings and put limiter 6 on the main to try out the plug. I used limiter before on this project and have an old mp3 of it so it was fine. V-vocal worked fine with no crashes and I bounced the wavs.


 



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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 15:31:05 (permalink)
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it's almost certainly vvocal, which cannot be disabled via safe mode unfortunately



I have a similar feeling although I have used it in other projects with no major issues (maybe one or two crashes). I made a new project earlier and imported a few of the wavs from the corrupt project. I used v-vocal and bounced. Put Limiter 6 on also and it all worked fine o.O

Why would v-vocal be such an arse to my finished track yet not my unfinished ones!? I just don't get it...
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 15:33:27 (permalink)
"Windows update install anything lately ?"

Nothing whatsoever. I did add my Sony Eperian phone to USB so I could transfer the mp3 and have a listen. That's the very last thing I did before turning the PC off. Will take a look at uninstalling that if there is anything there to uninstall.
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 16:09:21 (permalink)
I saw in other threads a similar issue where a guy could actually open the corrupt cwp file but only when he had a few other songs open. So I tried it, it still didn't work but it threw up different info including an error with 
PCS-CakeSM.dll.


Problem Event Name: BEX64
  Application Name: SONARPDR.exe
Application Version: 20.0.4.278
  Application Timestamp: 52abb061
  Fault Module Name: PCS-CakeSM.dll
  Fault Module Version: 1.0.1.323
  Fault Module Timestamp: 52deffea
Exception Offset: 000000000018ce5f
  Exception Code: c0000409
  Exception Data: 0000000000000000
  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
  Locale ID: 2057
  Additional Information 1: 8fc7
  Additional Information 2: 8fc75380eb5b412e47d0418083243c4b
  Additional Information 3: 1d9f
  Additional Information 4: 1d9f16a2583c807ab24e6680591990f3
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 16:18:30 (permalink)
is that (PCS-CakeSM.dll) to do with pro-channel? do pc plugs get disabled on safe mode? could try renaming the dll maybe?

just a sec

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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 16:31:41 (permalink)
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is that (PCS-CakeSM.dll) to do with pro-channel? do pc plugs get disabled on safe mode? could try renaming the dll maybe?


When doing a search for PCS-CakeSM.dll  windows doesn't even find it! Oh what a headache! :-o Not sure if pc plugs get disabled on sf mode...
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Re: Sonar X3 and Sonar 6 crashing on one song at 96% 2018/01/04 16:34:56 (permalink)
I found it and removed it but that isn't the issue. Thanks for the help :)
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