Sonar X3e and Slate digital VBC

I got a problem and want to know if anyone have the same issue.

Got the Slate digital VBC v1.1.0.10 installed as 64 bit plugin.

When i insert the VBS rack in any VSTi track it works as it is supposed to do.

The issue is when i put it on a single audiotrack ( Vocal ) as an insert 
It peaks out and the meter on the fg-grey hit the roof with a crackling / popping sound
and the sound disappears from every track i have.

I tried the separate plugins as well, and it happens to the fg-grey and the FG-RED
but not the FG-MU !

It does not help if i deactivate the VBC in the FX bin, it is still the same.

I need to delete the plugin, hit E to disable FX's, then Hit E again and the sound is back.
but then of course i have no Compressor in the vocal track.
I can repeat it several times.....  and it's the same.

Strange that this only happens in a audio track and not in the VSTi track FX bin ?

I have the audio ( Vocal ) in one take lane, i have bounced it down, i cant figure this out.
I have even tried to delete Delay and Reverb send's on the track, but that does not help at all.

Cant figure this out, any suggestions ?

Picture : https://imageshack.com/i/nmvtnlp 

Installers : https://imageshack.com/i/ndpbeup 

Is there something with the installers ?
The Legacy installer ( v1.0.1.6) is like 14.5 mb

The  v1.1.0.10 is 151mb and is ( Public beta's )
The  v1.1.0.8  is 144mb and is under public beta too

I am using v1.1.0.10 , Slate digital say : ( recommended for all users ) !

is there a problem because they are  ( beta's ) , and why the big difference in the file size !

Legacy or not , what is the difference and why the big change in file size ?

Any solution of the problem ?

Jan

Argghhh.... still the same problem with the VST 3 version also
so it don't matter if it's vst 2 or vst 3 , it is the same issue still.

OK i don't  know what to do now !

Can anyone try to see if you will get the same issue.

Jan

The VBC rack work when i create a VOX stereo buss and insert it there ,and route my mono vocal track to it.

1 step closer to a solution, maybe a mono issue, did not change my buffers.

It is buss compressors, so it is possible they just operate in stereo only !
But i want to use em on mono tracks as well....

Now i need to buy even more compressors that can handle mono signal 
I don't want a bunch of compressors.

They should be mono capable as well, cause i love the sound of those compressors.

So if i want to use Compression of those i need to create a BUSS track and route
the mono track to it....., that will be many BUSS'es duhhhhh.

Thanks for your head's up, Sander 

I was not thinking that the compressors, may only operate just in stereo at all, stupid me....
just got a simple mind dat's all

But there's maybe a problem, when we usually set a higher Ratio, the compressor should kick in more
but it seems to be, the opposite when i crank the ratio up on the fg-grey, with the same threshold level.

It kick in most at a the ratio of 2, while it should react more when ratio is raised to 4 or 10 !

Jan

Soundblend
So if i want to use Compression of those i need to create a BUSS track and route
the mono track to it....., that will be many BUSS'es duhhhhh.

Try changing the track interleave to stereo

tunekicker
Turn off the 64-bit mix engine. Slate plugins don't seem to handle it very well.

Peace,

Tunes

Thanks for the info, but i'd really love to keep my 64-bit mix engine on:
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2005278/What-is-the-64-bit-Double-Precision-Engine-checkbox-in-the-Options-Audio-General 

Slate digital have good programmers as i understand it, and this should be no problem
to sort out for a company like Slate Digital , if the 64-bit engine is a problem.

Now here is something i discovered by a fault :

I did insert VBC to a VSTi FX bin, then i CTRL drag'd the plugin to my mono ( vocal ) track
and it worked ! that is definitely strange... maybe it first read the track as stereo, and that "information"
was kept within the plugin in some way !

Then i deleted the plugin in the vocal track, and inserted VBC as usual on the vocal track
it freaked out again.

Then changed the Vocal track interleave to stereo
And then the VBC worked as insert on the Vocal track.

Definitely a mono issue .....

Btw: re-installed the latest VBC version again, VBC v1.1.0.10

Jan

smallstonefan
I finally traded the VBC as I could not get it to work reliably in Sonar. Switching OFF the 64-bit engine helped, but didn't solve the problems. There is something flaky going on there, I'm sure of it.

Yea it may be something, i noticed when i adjusted the Ratio on the FG-Grey from ratio 2  to 10
it compress less, there's something wrong here.....

A compressor shall compress more at ratio 10 than at 2.

Also the frequency range it seem to give less mid / hi mid range, but i guess
that is what Analog emulation is supposed to do.

Even if i like the sound open with clarity, defined mid's, punch in the low end and silky soft high end.

So what compressors and EQ's are you satisfied with, cause i am looking for the wohaaaaa feeling.
I am pretty picky when it comes to plugins. I am starting to get tired of searching
and broke at the same time ( just a hobbyist ) so i have no income, just for self entertainment, and learning.

I listen especially after how they sound " if they add / loose " something in the frequency ranges
that's my first priority, cant still say that i am happy with what i got so far, that goes for EQ and Compressors.

I have a bad habit of buying first and listen closely after.
( maybe the grass is greener on the other side of the fence ? ) or some kind of G.A.S !

I have tried some waves stuff, seems to sound ok good, but i don't like the huge CPU usage
and the " waveshell " thingy !, it also seem to add a lot into the registry, or loads of files here and there.
that's what it seems like to me.

Also tried a lot of other brands too, but ....

The more i try of plugins the more confused and irritated i get, seems like there's "something" with
more or less every plugin. I am about to give up..... but just almost.

What i thought was good for  2-6 years ago, is now considered not good at present time.
Maybe i have more training and know a bit more how to listen
or another taste of sound... , who know's

Have anyone tried something, or own stuff from URS , have not been demoing any of that
stuff in the later years.

The question is , will i ever be satisfied, i doubt that.... but it may happen once.

I am the kinda guy, that would like just 1 EQ and 1 compressor and maximum 2 of each
I think it is very important to know the plugins and also be happy with how they sound.

If i have several plugins i cant decide what to use, because i don't really know ea plugin that good

Yeah so less is more for me ( i got a simple mind and a big heart ) ,so if i just could just find my baby love. 

Jan 

Sanderxpander
For some compressors the knee changes when you adjust the ratio. This is true for the ProChannel SSL type too.


When you increase the ratio, you also heighten the knee, so there is more compression but only at higher peaks. Could be that's going on here too.

Just tested a bit, i put the fg-grey on my Master

At high threshold level  ( -12db ) and low ratio, it compresses most at ratio 2 and less at ratio 10

then i i lowered the threshold (-24db ) down and did a check again
now the compressor did compress more at ratio of 10.
Guess compressor is driven more on the input side then.

Did not know this, learning something new all the time.

Guess this is basic for old analog compressors then !
* high threshold and low ratio for max compression
* low threshold and high ratio for max compression

I was used to ordinary compressors, when you raise the Ratio the knee lower's
and you get higher compression an exsample is the, Sonitius Compressor.

Jan

Yeah you got that right, i was thinking of the angle of the threshold curve itself .

Phonic
While I haven't had the same trouble you have had - I have had enough crashes with the VBCs that I tend to not use them anymore.  I hope this gets fixed.

Ya, i cant afford to "dump" this compressors. $99 is to much to put in da trashbin.
And i am tired of selling too, then it is a fee, and iLOK licence transfers etc.. gahh.

I have actually deleted plugins for at least $500 - $600 on total for the past 2 years
just because i did not get satisfied by the performance of em.
That is much for someone living on social funds --- dat's me ;-)

I am not saying that VBC is bad, they'r better than many other compressors i have tried
but i need to know em of course. 

Hope Slate digital will release some updates, and then i need to dig into, and learn this compressors.

Thanks everyone.

Jan

VBC Video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vU_-dnCtHE 
and other videos of different stuff.. : http://www.youtube.com/user/ZozillaThaGreat/videos 

Enjoy

Jan

Fear not .....

New Email reply from slate digital :

Kevin Dresel
Jul 17 10:13
Hi Jan,
The solution is a mono version of VBC. Mono versions of VBC are coming very soon so please keep an eye on your Slate account e-mail for notifications from us regarding this update. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.

Regards,

Kevin Dresel
Slate Digital | Steven Slate Drums | Slate Media Technology
Technical Support Supervisor
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So we need to wait a tad more, for a mono version.

Jan